I remember a few years ago John Oliver flew to Russia to interview him. He showed him a bunch of vox pop interviews of young people in America asking if they knew who Edward Snowden was and what he did, and almost all of them had no idea.
You could visibly see him die inside after watching it.
I think about him regularly. You know now would be a good time for europe to get him to a better place.
Is he active somewhere and posts so one can follow?
Doesn’t he live in Russia now? Probably not.
Suddenly you don’t hear about P.Diddy as well
It’s kind of sad. He sacrificed his freedom to let us know about surveillance of the citizenry and we shrugged a little and accepted all the surveillance they could throw at us.
People dont care about their privacy one bit. They want their tiktok brain rot.
Uninstall Instagram? Why I’d never!
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There was one program that “spied” on Americans in his whole dump, and it was shut down after, so the opposite of what you said happened. (It collected all phone pen register data in the U.S.)
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All whistleblowers need our support
I do understand why the state wants to prosecute him, but I also think the public deserved to know what Snowden revealed. It’s definitely the kind of thing the pardon power was created for, not for drug lords to bribe their way back into freedom.
The american public are just overworked sheep… the proof they did not deserve this info, is in that they got it and literally did nothing about it.
To this day poeple won’t stop using Meta and Twitter and there are 29 extra reasons to never touch those platforms again
ugh my wife wanted to show me something and it was on x. im like why aren’t you using xcancel like we have discussed before. how do I do that. like I said before just add cancel after x. Im sure down the line she is going to show me something from x. sigh.
They literally sued the U.S. government and shut down the only program that was collecting Americans’ data. https://www.cohenandwolf.com/publication-nsa-phone-metada
and this is why the gov doesn’t spy on its ciizens anymore and everyone lived happily ever after… my sweet summer child
I’m responding to the claim that Americans did nothing. It might be the case that there is illegal government surveillance going on today, but there is no evidence for that in any leaks, particularly not Snowden’s. If there is illegal government surveillance that we learn about later, the takeaway from the Snowden saga is that Americans will take action to shut it down.
Don’t forget Reddit! That has always been a skidmark-filled guilty pleasure.
I do understand why the state wants to prosecute him
Because he exposed the state for being a massively illegal and corrupt pile of shit directly perpetrating crimes against not just the American public, but the world at large?
Like yeah, I understand why cartels kill informants, that doesn’t make them justified in doing so.
Pardon power and the jury nullification.
Sounds ok except for living in Russia.
Edward Snowden is a permanent resident and naturalized citizen of Russia, living in Moscow with his wife and two sons. Granted citizenship by President Vladimir Putin in 2022, he remains in exile to avoid prosecution in the US under the Espionage Act. Snowden continues to criticize Russian policy while working in IT and presiding over the Freedom of the Press Foundation
Living in Russia and criticizing russian policy sounds like how those intrusive thoughts about jumping from windows get into your head…
Snowden should get a fair trial but the US won’t let him argue that his whistleblowing was for the greater good and outweighs state secrecy clauses
Snowden continues to criticize Russian policy
I’m totally showing my ignorance here but I’m surprised they let him do that
More valuable openly criticizing the US. He’s American so it is “expected” for him to have Western values. The fact that he hides from the US, but lives in RU with issues is a political win for Putin.
They actually have parties in Russia.
Not the Blue/Red MAGA circlejerkAnd anybody who disparages Putin gets poisoned. It’s such a wonderful system, right?
yawn, sure
That’s what happens when the US waits to cancel your passport until you are stuck in the transit hub of a Russian airport waiting for your next flight out of the country.
iIRC it took like 12 months until Russia granted Snowden asylum and he could leave the airport hub.
It was revoked before he left China. https://apnews.com/general-news-587786e6e63b4dc2b70c471606d7f584
That didn’t stop China from ignoring his asylum request following his release of documentation of hacked Chinese systems and kicking him out of the country because whether you have a valid passport doesn’t matter for geopolitical issues. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china
Russia was under no obligation to keep Snowden instead of letting him continue to Ecuador. Putin just wanted to use him as a bargaining chip with the U.S., but the U.S. understood that all his documents were already public, so Putin hasn’t been able to play that card well yet.
Ah you are right. I seem to have gotten it mixed up with the initial 1 year refugee status he was granted, before the first 3 year temporary residency permit.
Either way, the US tried to prevent his leaving Hong Kong but however they submitted it, their request didn’t comply with Hong Kong law so there was no legal basis for them to detain him.
Four countries had offered Snowden permanent asylum: Ecuador, Nicaragua, Bolivia, and Venezuela. No direct flights between Moscow and Venezuela, Bolivia, or Nicaragua existed, however, and the U.S. pressured countries along his route to hand him over. His intended destination was Ecuador, but his passport being revoked while he was in flight from Hong Kong meant he was stuck in Russia.
He had given all copies of the evidence he had to journalists in Hong Kong reporting on American issues, specifically so when travelling through Russia they would have nothing to leverage.
Snowden said in July 2013 that he decided to bid for asylum in Russia because he felt there was no safe way to reach Latin America.
Considering they grounded Evo Morales’ plane because they thought he was on it, I’d say that’s a fair bet.
Like that Tom Hanks movie! I think it’s called The Terminal
Which itself is based on the true story of Mehran Karimi Nasseri who lived in Terminal 1 of Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, France, from 1988 to 2006.
It is uncommon, but passports being invalidated during travel does happen.
Wikipedia says this guy was mostly responsible for what happened to him. He allegedly lost his passport, and refused any help from France and Belgium.
He actually sent his passport away to Belgium while en route to London, refused to sign a new passport with his real name, demanding one with the name Sir Alfred and no mention of his Iranian citizenship, and returned to the airport even after he had left it once to go to the hospital.
Sounds to me like he got used to his life there, with the fame and not needing to work.Wikipedia says this guy was mostly responsible for what happened to him. He allegedly lost his passport, and refused any help from France and Belgium.
No idea what the fuck you’re reading, because the Wikipedia page doesn’t seem to say any of that…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden
Belgium isn’t even mentioned on the Wikipedia page. And France is mentioned specifically from an interview in 2019 where Snowden said he had requested asylum in 2013, but it was denied under President Hollande. A second request later was received favorably by Justice Minister Nicole Belloubet under President Macron, but no other members of the French government expressed support. That’s not at all refusing help from either of them. In fact there are multiple sections in there about his asylum requests to dozens of countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Flight_from_the_United_States
In fact, the Wikipedia page goes pretty in depth about his intended travel out of Hong Kong. The US revoked his passport, it wasn’t lost.
His plans upon leaving Hong Kong never had anything to do with US allies, it very specifically avoided them because of US leverage.
So where, on Wikipedia, are you reading the exact opposite of what the Wikipedia page says?
That’s a lot of words for someone with poor reading comprehension skills
Little aggressive, but in your defense, pronouns with limited context can be difficult sometimes.
Unless this is supposed to be a shit post, in which case, bravo.
I’m pretty sure, the comment of Something Burger was related to Mehran Karimi Nasseri
Thanks for the update. I didn’t know he had children, but I guess life moves on. I still think it is absolutely shameful that Europe wasn’t and isn’t able to allow Snowden to live in Europe.
They’re vassals to the empire. He wouldn’t be safe there anyway
The Europeans bucking the US would require them to not be vassals. But right now we see Germany trying to placate Trump and while France does a lot of saber rattling, they also aren’t going specifically against the US. Only Spain is currently defying the US, but only insofar that they don’t allow the US to conduct its war of choice with Iran from spanish soil. They are not opposing the US on anything that isn’t as clear cut morally. That’s a lot of words for saying yes, unfortunately, Europe, and Germany above all, is too cowardly to defend what is right against the US. The only opposition allowed against the US is bureaucratic opposition. And even that is failing.
If what I read at the time is accurate Snowden was not at all selective in what he grabbed and some people probably died because of him.
I mean Trump requested a top secret list of CIA assets in Russia. Had a “private” meeting with Putin kicking everyone out of the room. A month later 80% of those assets were dead…
It’s good you wrote here then, because you are wrong. Snowden wasn’t being specific in what he grabbed, but he closely worked with Glenn Greenwald and The Guardian to publicize what he grabbed. There is a whole Wikipedia article of the release, which makes only one mention of irresponsible disclosure putting an agent at risk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures . Also Snowden himself was demanding agents not be exposed.
Now, who most likely got a lot of agents killed is the leaker in chief, Trump himself.
He was specific in what he released. He released a list of compromised Chinese systems in order to try to gain asylum in Hong Kong, which is the first place he went to. China kicked him out of the country, so he had to change plans. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china
Thanks, I will check these links out. Based on the comments I was getting I figured I must be way off base on this one.
How would be you be selective if you have time constraints and the NSA is on your butt anytime?
Think about it. He could have been selective at home where he had plenty of time. And he was never really caught, was he?
He was though… He was in hong long, got kicked out from us pressure, fled to costa Rica or smth with a stop in russia, but the us got his foreign passport invalidated so russia kept him there.
Passport revocation means nothing in this case. He left Hong Kong after his passport was revoked because China didn’t want him. He couldn’t leave Russia because Putin wanted him.
Or maybe the government who punishes people for breaking the law shouldn’t break the damn law and put those peoples lives in danger themselves doing so.
Ah the good old regime’s ‘he put brave US operatives in danger’
Interesting, how it’s all turned out to be some kind of deep fsb infiltration campaign for the sake of testing their interception of information and people of great importance. This dude anyway probably was their triple agent or something. Moreover, information received back then still helps them to establish dominance of chinazis and rasians over dtrump and massive part of us intelligence, compromising whole us as a state. Damn shame people are letting some bunch of degenerates like fsb and mss to sorta rule over them.
Those are … Words!
Well, some of them are…
And the ones that are words are in the wrong order
wut?
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