“I want to make everything possible to stop this government- as long as it doesn’t make me involved in anything “
“I live too far from everything to do anything “
“Our politics doesn’t work that way, you don’t understand that”
“We are the land of free and all the guns and something “
Seriously, there seems to be this delusion that we all just have magic buttons that execute our politicians on a whim. What the fuck do you expect us to do, specifically, to fix this?
In pretty much every other western country, the populace could reasonably exert force over their national armed forces because those armed forces are reasonably sized. But the entire active duty military of Germany has fewer personnel than the on-base population of a single US military base (JBLM 210k, Germany 185k), and JBLM is only the 4th largest base in the US…
Not to mention, our military budget is more than the GDP of 85% of the countries in the world, and it’s only getting bigger. The proposed budget for next year is more than 90% of the world’s countries’ GDP. Think about that for a few minutes.
You say as if American soldiers aren’t also Americans. It’s not just up to civilians to partake in politics and the resistance of tyranny.
Coups happen all over the world, for various reasons. You’d think an openly genocidal regime headed by a fascist, paedophile, moronic traitor, actively making life worse for the majority and aiding their enemies. Shitting on the constitution, and making veiled threats to cancel elections, would be enough to instigate one, but I guess not.
The stereotype of American soldiers seems to hold up, all bark but no bite unless the opponent is clearly outmatched with bigger weapons.
By one estimate, there were 457 coup attempts from 1950 to 2010, half of which were successful.[3]
I’ll accept my share of the blame for not being an active insurgent against the US government as long as we’re also holding Russian and Chinese people to the same standard - failing to thwart genocide(s) by a powerful authoritarian regime while under 21st century surveillance and brutal working conditions. Sure I’m disappointed in all of us who aren’t part of a resistance, but let’s be realistic.
Alright, let’s be realistic, a lot of competent high ranking officers are out of work since the purges of Trump. And a lot are still in work, that managed to survive the purges.
And when I say purges, I mean redundancies and firings. Not like Saddam Hussein, taken out back and met with a bullet or rope. But just given their military pension and told to fuck off.
I’m not expecting the average grunt to be able to do much. But an officer whose rank allows them the command of hundreds or thousands of people is capable of something.
There has been not even a murmuring of mutiny, resistance, or rebellion, let alone a coup. Some sailors stuffed t-shirts down their toilets, likely more in rebellion at being at sea far longer than they were meant to than anything else. But that’s about it.
Americans, until very very recently, have had freedoms and liberties that the Chinese and Russians have never enjoyed. Do you think Russian military courts are comparable to American? To compare them is disingenuous. Although in saying that, Xu Qinxian did refuse his orders at Tiannamen Square. He refused saying he’d rather be executed than be a criminal to history.
But there’s always an exceptionalism, an excuse, for why America is incapable of thwarting fascism. No matter how much I argue here, somebody will come along with another excuse, another reason for why Americans can’t do what other countries around the world have done over and over throughout history.
You say that but months ago when he was threatening to invade Canada, as a Canadian I thought “if I sneak up and kill just one of these invading fuckers before I gwt popped I will have done my duty” im just a regular guy but I feel that in my gut and I know A LOT of us do.
But you guys don’t have that sense of survival for some reason. You just shrug and go “I don’t wanna get a boo boo or miss project runway” you’re being invaded right now, your citizens are being murdered by federal invading forces and you are doing nothing but fighting among yourselves about who is the true leftist.
Mate, I imagine we’ve all thought that, but there’s a big gap between thinking it and doing it, and from where I’m sitting it appears you’re the exact kind of internet tough guy you’re speaking out against.
For me, it is more that I have a partner whom I love with every fiber of my being and a 5 yr old that is my whole universe. My family needs me.
It’s not so black and white as you make it. I work all the time to make sure we have money to barely get by.
I will say, if a “rebellion” starts and we actually have a working “army” I’d gladly be apart of it…
But just going out and starting shit? I’m sorry I can’t. I can spread the word, I can tell everyone about what’s going on and do my best to make sure the people in my town know what a monster he is.
Sometimes it feels like y’all think we Americans all live the same lives and have the same problems. That just not true. They have is hogtied and pinned down. How do I go and fight when fighting means my family will suffer?
That’s how I feel. I’ve got three small kids and a handicapped wife. Getting myself killed or arrested isn’t an option. When there’s a tipping point, I’ll be on the right side of it. If there’s a way to get to that tipping point faster, I’ll do that too. But sacrificing myself and my family just so I can tell some internet tough guys that political ideals were more important to me than my ethical ideals? That’s dumb.
Didn’t Americans decide that dead kids in schools was an acceptable price for the right to own guns, specifically so you can overthrow your government when needed?
You guys aren’t even striking yet. You’re just gonna allow this to happen. You guys elected him again, after it became clear he was a paedophilic capitalist working for the elite. America is lost.
The gun fetishists who don’t care about dead kids are the ones who voted for Trump. The ones who give a shit amd don’t want to come within 10 feet of a gun didn’t vote for him.
I’m so tired of the EU people paroting this. It’s ALWAYS been the crazy MAGA who love God and guns. It’s ALWAYS Democrats pushing for regulation.
If a majority of the country voted for him, then how is the minority supposed to overthrow both the gun sickos and the government? Nepal’s riota only succeeded because all of their young population was in agreeance that their government was corrupt. I can’t even get former friends to get off their ass to vote. A riot only works if enough people are backing it.
We would get fucking swiss cheesed in literal seconds by a police department let alone the military. It’d be a suicide mission. And at the end of the day Trump would still be kicking it and making fucking posts about the protesters and MAGAs mixed dead bodies. I hate MAGA conservatives, but I don’t want to kill them because I can understand that at the end of the day the person in power has no fucking skin in the game. We can shoot ourselves bloody all day, but Trump and his croonies will live just fine.
The January capitol riot only ended in little rioter casualties because they were white men and the administration wanted it to happen. This current admin has been insane from day one and would gladly open fire on protesters.
And even if we did kill him, there’s still a chain of succession? We killing the VP and the entire cabinet too? Nevermind the MAGA nuts that would run jnto the streets and start killing any minority or democrat in sight? These sickos threatened to bomb HBCUs after watching Charlie Kirk get shot and he was literally killed by a fellow Republican nutjob. They don’t need a good reason to get angry. Furthermore, who says violent overthrow will guarantee a better government? If you gained enough power to overthrow a government, who says the next won’t abuse it too? And once again more blood spills of those who aren’t calling the shots.
I love being constantly told on this site to go be a suicide shooter. I love everyone assuming we’re gun nuts. I love everyone assuming we all wanted this. I voted, I protest, I contact my reps, I tell my friends to vote, I boycott, I do as much as I can. But if I’m not out there threatening to bomb the White House and kill all Republican representatives then it’s worthless.
Anyway, we have a national strike coming up on May 1st. Minnesota already had a strike in January.
If that’s mind boggling then you really need to read an actual history book.
Life for the avg America is FAR from problematic enough to have riots start yet. Even our worse off tend to have just enough care from other Americans to be upset but content. We are taking care of our down trodden just enough.
You need starvation, active destress, or wide spread unemployment.
We have food it’s just expensive.
We arnt in active physical danger.
We have just enough jobs that groups of people arnt massing together.
End of the day the very same message of help your fellow man, do good in your community and decades of social safety nets put into place. Are doing their job of allowing the American people to coast by happy enough.
If you want riots then you need to start making people physically miserable, scared and hungry.
You’re not wrong about the conditions that historically lead to unrest, material desperation, fear, and breakdown of basic stability tend to be the tipping points. The U.S. government isn’t there for most citizens, and that’s not accidental.
But what’s worth pointing out is that this “just stable enough” environment didn’t emerge naturally, it’s been actively managed over decades. And a strong case can be made that this is less about general governance and more about a long-term political strategy, particularly on the Republican side.
You’ve had a pattern where social safety nets are publicly criticized, underfunded, or slowly eroded but rarely eliminated outright. Why? Because removing them completely would create exactly the kind of instability you’re describing. Instead, they’re kept barely functional. Enough to prevent collapse, not enough to meaningfully improve mobility or reduce inequality.
At the same time, there’s been consistent resistance to policies that would shift people from “barely stable” to genuinely secure, things like stronger labor protections, universal healthcare, or aggressive wage growth. That keeps a large portion of the population economically stressed, but not desperate enough to unify or revolt. It fragments people using base animal instincts, keeps them focused on short-term survival, and limits collective action.
Add in cultural and political polarization, and it further diffuses pressure. People incorrectly channel frustration horizontally, at each other, instead of vertically at faceless institutions.
So yes, you’re right about the threshold for unrest. The uncomfortable part is recognizing that a lot of political strategy has been about keeping the country just below that threshold, stable enough to barely function, and strained enough to control.
It’s understandable that not everyone wants to riot for moral values and against mass corruption, but surely everyone can see that it’s just a matter of time before distress comes to the USA if nothing is done right now? It’s pretty naive to assume that your new enemies won’t hit back in some way, and most of the world just wants the US to become a meaningless country, since everyone is sick of the constant abuse of power and its negative effects on the world economy and stability.
To join riots right now is the least the American people can do. Throughout American history it was often needed for the many to fight the elite and that time has come again.
Jesus tap dancing Christ, man… It’s an illusion to make people believe they’ll always have the power to stand up. It clearly works, considering you’re quoting it and blaming the average citizens fighting back and going unnoticed because you couldn’t find the time to realize they’re trying to barely scrape by themselves. Blame the leaders who have a face, not the average citizen who’s actually protesting. Not everyone can light themselves on fire in public protests to appease you.
It was always bullshit the joke used to be they would be helpless and guns useless against a corrupt government. And as we learned it was always projection they want to be the corrupt government.
Everyone’s to broke to travel and it takes 8 hours to drive across Nebraska
Our demented puppet President has powerful people propping him up. Would be mighty helpful if Germans did something about Thiel, and South Africans did something about Musk. Australians, you good with handling Murdoch? Okay, let’s go.
Even the local traffic cops have enough firepower to take down a village; the farce of a 2nd amendment does nothing against real tyranny, it’s just for meatheads to injure themselves or their loved ones and oppress minorities when they get scared. I’m in California; all my votes go blue and are meaningless on the national scale. No amount of standing in front of buildings or blocking roads will make a dent in the capitol overlords that own the levers of accountability.
What do you suggest? I take pretty extreme “voting with your dollars” positions that have excluded me from a ton of social and family things. I have protested, taken days off work, marched, signed petitions. I’ve donated to progressive politicians, I’ve talked about what’s going on to apathetic people to the point where they don’t talk to me much anymore or ask to stop talking politics. Everything I’ve voted for has pretty much passed, and my representatives do the right things for the most part. I actively participate in a local network of people connecting resources to protect immigrants by hosting some services on my self-hosted network for people to organize on (I have personally sponsored meshtastic communicators and provided access to an anti-ice private channel).
I’m pretty tired of doing what feels like a huge amount of effort, only to be told I should be doing something different or more. I fought so hard against the right, that the flanking snark attacks from the left and the implication that I’m somehow complicit by not doing enough or the right thing are driving me towards apathy. I’m fucking exhausted.
The US has been openly genociding trans people within its borders and no one cares. People turned out for Palestine and Venezuela to the extent that the state allowed them to, but have been seemingly silent on Cuba. Genocide is as American as the Kardashians.
To be clear, I’m not talking about politically savvy users on Lemmy. You’re not the problem. The problem is the “white moderate” that MLK talked about in his letter. The problem is the apoliticals who complain about having to take the scenic route to Starbucks because of protesters on the streets. It’s the so-called “adults” who treat politics like an optional sport. It’s the people who have never heard of AIPAC, and who act surprised to learn that the US is at war. Those people need a good wake up slap.
The cultists are too far gone, the only hope for them to rejoin civilized society is literal cult deprogramming
Look, I agree with every one of your other points, but to say that “the US has been openly genociding trans people” is ludicrously stupid. Yes, some of the states are making anti-bathroom laws, and some of the states are making laws about not allowing medical/therapeutic support to minors for transitioning, and the federal government is making anti-trans executive orders about colleges… but genocide? Seriously?
Don’t water down the use of the word genocide. It’s a very serious thing that is currently happening and supported by the US, but that is not what is happening with trans people. Yet. It might happen with the way things are going, but not yet.
Most people on here gave Jewish pundits shit for calling 700 Jewish deaths in the October attack another “holocaust” and “genocide.” We give those same people shit for not calling 70,000 Palestinian deaths a genocide. Don’t be like those people.
Trans people being effectively legislated out of existence and the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention has issued three red flag alerts, but go on about how it’s not a genocide
the Lemkin Institute believes that the United States is squarely within the early to middle stages of a genocidal process against trans people, the goal of which is to completely erase transgender people not only from public life but also from existence in the U.S. and globally
I urge anyone skimming by to the article I linked, if you have 5 minutes. It’s actually a pretty good read. I’ll also note that this is why I fled the US when I had the chance
There’s literally one window with a large X in the top right. NPR and Wikipedia do the same thing. But here, I copied the first three paragraphs for you so you don’t have an excuse.
The Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention and Human Security is releasing this third Red Flag Alert for the USA related to the Trump Administration’s anti-trans initiatives, which have continued to expand nationwide since our last Red Flag Alert (RFA) on this subject. Over the eight months since the second RFA’s publication, the Republican Party’s anti-trans agenda has radicalized and continued to intensify. 2025 was the sixth consecutive record-breaking year for the number of anti-trans bills considered across the country. There was a 45 percent increase in bills between 2024 and 2025. Between 2021 and 2025, the number of bills in consideration has increased by 668 percent.
The Administration has moved from identifying transgender people as a threat to the family and to the nation’s military prowess to claiming that transgender people constitute a cosmic threat to the spiritual health of the nation and the greatest direct threat to U.S. national security in the world. Given these ideological developments, especially coupled with the increasingly hostile and draconian legislation against trans identities, the Lemkin Institute believes that the United States is squarely within the early to middle stages of a genocidal process against trans people, the goal of which is to completely erase transgender people not only from public life but also from existence in the U.S. and globally.
Genocide against trans people takes on patterns that set it apart from the mass murder genocides that people commonly associate with the crime, such as the Holocaust. Currently, the genocide against trans people follows a pattern – denial of identity (pattern #9 in the Lemkin Institute’s Ten Patterns of Genocide) – that makes it more familiar to the colonial genocides against indigenous populations, including the residential/boarding school systems in North America and Australia, where indigenous children were “allowed” to go on living if they gave up their identities, including their languages. Denial of identity involves two main steps: preventing people from openly expressing an identity and destroying institutions that reproduce the identity. Given that the denial of identity is the consequence of a well-defined hostility, even hatred, for the identity, the pattern is often characterized by incitement against the group. Alongside suppression and incitement, perpetrators of this pattern of genocide will simultaneously criminalize the identity, so that expressions of it or institutions that reproduce it become characterized as threatening and corrosive to the body politic and warranting state violence and coercion. People who assert or support the denied identity then become criminal elements that must be eliminated. In the case of the boarding schools, children who used their mother tongue or otherwise showed signs of their independent identity were severely punished.
U.S. government policy has not even closely reflected the will of the people since 1980, at the latest. Instead, the Overton Window kept moving right, and ever-more neoliberal, until we got to a point at which our only choices were between a grifter with populist energy, and a candidate offering a clearance-bin version of the “HOPE” that turned out to be more neoliberal ratfucking back when an effective salesman had pitched it to us.
And, no surprise, tons of people checked out of a political process which offered no meaningful response to their day-to-day life of getting economically ratfucked, because it just drained their energy for no discernable benefit.
Ok, the first thing you guys need to do is shut the fuck up about Kamala. Nobody outside the US cares that you’re mad at the people who didn’t vote for Kamala because of Gaza. It’s in the past. The snark makes you feel good but is 100% pointless.
So, hey, Americans, your president is openly threatening genocide. You might uh, want to do something about that. Just a thought.
They voted him into office, this is what “Americans” want
We didn’t get up when we found out he was a pedophile. That ship kinda sailed.
Never to late to bail.
Stephen universe knows that lesson, so can the Americans.
Open to suggestions.
I don’t think any of y’all know how well protected this asshole is
“I want to make everything possible to stop this government- as long as it doesn’t make me involved in anything “ “I live too far from everything to do anything “ “Our politics doesn’t work that way, you don’t understand that” “We are the land of free and all the guns and something “
Seriously, there seems to be this delusion that we all just have magic buttons that execute our politicians on a whim. What the fuck do you expect us to do, specifically, to fix this?
In pretty much every other western country, the populace could reasonably exert force over their national armed forces because those armed forces are reasonably sized. But the entire active duty military of Germany has fewer personnel than the on-base population of a single US military base (JBLM 210k, Germany 185k), and JBLM is only the 4th largest base in the US…
Not to mention, our military budget is more than the GDP of 85% of the countries in the world, and it’s only getting bigger. The proposed budget for next year is more than 90% of the world’s countries’ GDP. Think about that for a few minutes.
You say as if American soldiers aren’t also Americans. It’s not just up to civilians to partake in politics and the resistance of tyranny.
Coups happen all over the world, for various reasons. You’d think an openly genocidal regime headed by a fascist, paedophile, moronic traitor, actively making life worse for the majority and aiding their enemies. Shitting on the constitution, and making veiled threats to cancel elections, would be enough to instigate one, but I guess not.
The stereotype of American soldiers seems to hold up, all bark but no bite unless the opponent is clearly outmatched with bigger weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état
I’ll accept my share of the blame for not being an active insurgent against the US government as long as we’re also holding Russian and Chinese people to the same standard - failing to thwart genocide(s) by a powerful authoritarian regime while under 21st century surveillance and brutal working conditions. Sure I’m disappointed in all of us who aren’t part of a resistance, but let’s be realistic.
Alright, let’s be realistic, a lot of competent high ranking officers are out of work since the purges of Trump. And a lot are still in work, that managed to survive the purges.
And when I say purges, I mean redundancies and firings. Not like Saddam Hussein, taken out back and met with a bullet or rope. But just given their military pension and told to fuck off.
I’m not expecting the average grunt to be able to do much. But an officer whose rank allows them the command of hundreds or thousands of people is capable of something.
There has been not even a murmuring of mutiny, resistance, or rebellion, let alone a coup. Some sailors stuffed t-shirts down their toilets, likely more in rebellion at being at sea far longer than they were meant to than anything else. But that’s about it.
Americans, until very very recently, have had freedoms and liberties that the Chinese and Russians have never enjoyed. Do you think Russian military courts are comparable to American? To compare them is disingenuous. Although in saying that, Xu Qinxian did refuse his orders at Tiannamen Square. He refused saying he’d rather be executed than be a criminal to history.
But there’s always an exceptionalism, an excuse, for why America is incapable of thwarting fascism. No matter how much I argue here, somebody will come along with another excuse, another reason for why Americans can’t do what other countries around the world have done over and over throughout history.
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BraveBollocks.I’m going to be honest: you just sound ignorant and disconnected from the reality of the United States as a politically entity.
Exception and exceptional share a root word. They do not mean the same thing.
Exceptionalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
You say that but months ago when he was threatening to invade Canada, as a Canadian I thought “if I sneak up and kill just one of these invading fuckers before I gwt popped I will have done my duty” im just a regular guy but I feel that in my gut and I know A LOT of us do.
But you guys don’t have that sense of survival for some reason. You just shrug and go “I don’t wanna get a boo boo or miss project runway” you’re being invaded right now, your citizens are being murdered by federal invading forces and you are doing nothing but fighting among yourselves about who is the true leftist.
Sorry, where are you getting your news from?
Mate, I imagine we’ve all thought that, but there’s a big gap between thinking it and doing it, and from where I’m sitting it appears you’re the exact kind of internet tough guy you’re speaking out against.
For me, it is more that I have a partner whom I love with every fiber of my being and a 5 yr old that is my whole universe. My family needs me. It’s not so black and white as you make it. I work all the time to make sure we have money to barely get by.
I will say, if a “rebellion” starts and we actually have a working “army” I’d gladly be apart of it… But just going out and starting shit? I’m sorry I can’t. I can spread the word, I can tell everyone about what’s going on and do my best to make sure the people in my town know what a monster he is.
Sometimes it feels like y’all think we Americans all live the same lives and have the same problems. That just not true. They have is hogtied and pinned down. How do I go and fight when fighting means my family will suffer?
That’s how I feel. I’ve got three small kids and a handicapped wife. Getting myself killed or arrested isn’t an option. When there’s a tipping point, I’ll be on the right side of it. If there’s a way to get to that tipping point faster, I’ll do that too. But sacrificing myself and my family just so I can tell some internet tough guys that political ideals were more important to me than my ethical ideals? That’s dumb.
Wow, you fantasized about killing someone? That basically makes you a war hero. You truly earned this: 🎖️
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oh, anything short of killing ourselves at the government will not be enough for the freaks on this website.
Anything but site there on a keyboard fighting with other leftists about who is the true leftists
Didn’t Americans decide that dead kids in schools was an acceptable price for the right to own guns, specifically so you can overthrow your government when needed?
You guys aren’t even striking yet. You’re just gonna allow this to happen. You guys elected him again, after it became clear he was a paedophilic capitalist working for the elite. America is lost.
The gun fetishists who don’t care about dead kids are the ones who voted for Trump. The ones who give a shit amd don’t want to come within 10 feet of a gun didn’t vote for him.
I’m so tired of the EU people paroting this. It’s ALWAYS been the crazy MAGA who love God and guns. It’s ALWAYS Democrats pushing for regulation.
If a majority of the country voted for him, then how is the minority supposed to overthrow both the gun sickos and the government? Nepal’s riota only succeeded because all of their young population was in agreeance that their government was corrupt. I can’t even get former friends to get off their ass to vote. A riot only works if enough people are backing it.
We would get fucking swiss cheesed in literal seconds by a police department let alone the military. It’d be a suicide mission. And at the end of the day Trump would still be kicking it and making fucking posts about the protesters and MAGAs mixed dead bodies. I hate MAGA conservatives, but I don’t want to kill them because I can understand that at the end of the day the person in power has no fucking skin in the game. We can shoot ourselves bloody all day, but Trump and his croonies will live just fine.
The January capitol riot only ended in little rioter casualties because they were white men and the administration wanted it to happen. This current admin has been insane from day one and would gladly open fire on protesters.
And even if we did kill him, there’s still a chain of succession? We killing the VP and the entire cabinet too? Nevermind the MAGA nuts that would run jnto the streets and start killing any minority or democrat in sight? These sickos threatened to bomb HBCUs after watching Charlie Kirk get shot and he was literally killed by a fellow Republican nutjob. They don’t need a good reason to get angry. Furthermore, who says violent overthrow will guarantee a better government? If you gained enough power to overthrow a government, who says the next won’t abuse it too? And once again more blood spills of those who aren’t calling the shots.
I love being constantly told on this site to go be a suicide shooter. I love everyone assuming we’re gun nuts. I love everyone assuming we all wanted this. I voted, I protest, I contact my reps, I tell my friends to vote, I boycott, I do as much as I can. But if I’m not out there threatening to bomb the White House and kill all Republican representatives then it’s worthless.
Anyway, we have a national strike coming up on May 1st. Minnesota already had a strike in January.
It’s mind boggling to me there have been no riots by this point.
If that’s mind boggling then you really need to read an actual history book.
Life for the avg America is FAR from problematic enough to have riots start yet. Even our worse off tend to have just enough care from other Americans to be upset but content. We are taking care of our down trodden just enough.
You need starvation, active destress, or wide spread unemployment.
We have food it’s just expensive.
We arnt in active physical danger.
We have just enough jobs that groups of people arnt massing together.
End of the day the very same message of help your fellow man, do good in your community and decades of social safety nets put into place. Are doing their job of allowing the American people to coast by happy enough.
If you want riots then you need to start making people physically miserable, scared and hungry.
You’re not wrong about the conditions that historically lead to unrest, material desperation, fear, and breakdown of basic stability tend to be the tipping points. The U.S. government isn’t there for most citizens, and that’s not accidental.
But what’s worth pointing out is that this “just stable enough” environment didn’t emerge naturally, it’s been actively managed over decades. And a strong case can be made that this is less about general governance and more about a long-term political strategy, particularly on the Republican side.
You’ve had a pattern where social safety nets are publicly criticized, underfunded, or slowly eroded but rarely eliminated outright. Why? Because removing them completely would create exactly the kind of instability you’re describing. Instead, they’re kept barely functional. Enough to prevent collapse, not enough to meaningfully improve mobility or reduce inequality.
At the same time, there’s been consistent resistance to policies that would shift people from “barely stable” to genuinely secure, things like stronger labor protections, universal healthcare, or aggressive wage growth. That keeps a large portion of the population economically stressed, but not desperate enough to unify or revolt. It fragments people using base animal instincts, keeps them focused on short-term survival, and limits collective action.
Add in cultural and political polarization, and it further diffuses pressure. People incorrectly channel frustration horizontally, at each other, instead of vertically at faceless institutions.
So yes, you’re right about the threshold for unrest. The uncomfortable part is recognizing that a lot of political strategy has been about keeping the country just below that threshold, stable enough to barely function, and strained enough to control.
It’s understandable that not everyone wants to riot for moral values and against mass corruption, but surely everyone can see that it’s just a matter of time before distress comes to the USA if nothing is done right now? It’s pretty naive to assume that your new enemies won’t hit back in some way, and most of the world just wants the US to become a meaningless country, since everyone is sick of the constant abuse of power and its negative effects on the world economy and stability. To join riots right now is the least the American people can do. Throughout American history it was often needed for the many to fight the elite and that time has come again.
You arent in percieved active physical danger.
If trump launches a nuke boy that sure will change lickity split tho
Wait for the military draft and the fucking MAGAts will be the first ones to cry.
Simultaneous angry mobs outside the white house and mar-a-lago could be nice. I would come out from California to join that.
Work together with independents and disenfranchised republicans to primary 75+% of the democratic party over the next 4 years.
The GOP and the DNC are the sword and shield of the wealthy elites respectively.
Not a short term solution, but the best time to plant a tree is 10 years ago. 2nd best time is today.
especially since the whoopsie that one time
Go find the richest person in your local city.
You have one, they exist. Probably several in the same area.
Make it their problem.
Who supports him?
Who supports them?
I think the application of pressure goes where its possible to apply it, instead of where it isn’t.
Then what was the point of all that 2nd amendment talk? Was it all bullshit cause you wanted to keep your pow pow?
Guns and no balls, Thats what’s so dangerous about the regular American.
Like I said elsewhere, your country was won by fat farmers and regular people who grew balls.
Jesus tap dancing Christ, man… It’s an illusion to make people believe they’ll always have the power to stand up. It clearly works, considering you’re quoting it and blaming the average citizens fighting back and going unnoticed because you couldn’t find the time to realize they’re trying to barely scrape by themselves. Blame the leaders who have a face, not the average citizen who’s actually protesting. Not everyone can light themselves on fire in public protests to appease you.
It was always bullshit the joke used to be they would be helpless and guns useless against a corrupt government. And as we learned it was always projection they want to be the corrupt government.
Everyone’s to broke to travel and it takes 8 hours to drive across Nebraska
Insurrection?
Can you plan and execute an insurrection in less than 24 hours?
Most people couldn’t even get to DC with less than a weeks notice.
They just filed articles of impeachment - so that’s something…
https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hres1155/BILLS-119hres1155ih.pdf
Its been proven that the impeachment doesn’t do shit. Infact the last time we impeached our president he was allowed to run and be elected again.
Unanimously supported or is it again an isolated democrat move? Asking because it’s kindof annoying to let USA delete a whole civilization…
We’ll see ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And it’ll go just like last time, every Republican closes ranks and it wastes everyone’s time
Someone may have replied with this already, but: https://stoptrumpswars.org/ we’re trying.
Proud of you, keep pushing!
Our demented puppet President has powerful people propping him up. Would be mighty helpful if Germans did something about Thiel, and South Africans did something about Musk. Australians, you good with handling Murdoch? Okay, let’s go.
They all live in the US though. Not much any other country can do about them.
I dont want to sound like I’m piling on with encouragement to violence, but its pretty wild to me that we have a handful of specific names.
Which authoritative body has the power to do something about it, that isn’t openly in cahoots with him? I’ll wait.
The NRA would probably be the best equipped. They bring their own authority.
The NRA embezzled themselves into irrelevance half a decade ago - they’re not a meaningful political entity anymore.
They are bootlickers though
Most if not all of us lack the resources and opportunity to do anything direct.
You know they are too pussy ass about it, but you know freedum!
Even the local traffic cops have enough firepower to take down a village; the farce of a 2nd amendment does nothing against real tyranny, it’s just for meatheads to injure themselves or their loved ones and oppress minorities when they get scared. I’m in California; all my votes go blue and are meaningless on the national scale. No amount of standing in front of buildings or blocking roads will make a dent in the capitol overlords that own the levers of accountability.
Well it’s good you acknowledge all the things you cant do.
What about the things you can?
What do you suggest? I take pretty extreme “voting with your dollars” positions that have excluded me from a ton of social and family things. I have protested, taken days off work, marched, signed petitions. I’ve donated to progressive politicians, I’ve talked about what’s going on to apathetic people to the point where they don’t talk to me much anymore or ask to stop talking politics. Everything I’ve voted for has pretty much passed, and my representatives do the right things for the most part. I actively participate in a local network of people connecting resources to protect immigrants by hosting some services on my self-hosted network for people to organize on (I have personally sponsored meshtastic communicators and provided access to an anti-ice private channel).
I’m pretty tired of doing what feels like a huge amount of effort, only to be told I should be doing something different or more. I fought so hard against the right, that the flanking snark attacks from the left and the implication that I’m somehow complicit by not doing enough or the right thing are driving me towards apathy. I’m fucking exhausted.
The US has been openly genociding trans people within its borders and no one cares. People turned out for Palestine and Venezuela to the extent that the state allowed them to, but have been seemingly silent on Cuba. Genocide is as American as the Kardashians.
To be clear, I’m not talking about politically savvy users on Lemmy. You’re not the problem. The problem is the “white moderate” that MLK talked about in his letter. The problem is the apoliticals who complain about having to take the scenic route to Starbucks because of protesters on the streets. It’s the so-called “adults” who treat politics like an optional sport. It’s the people who have never heard of AIPAC, and who act surprised to learn that the US is at war. Those people need a good wake up slap.
The cultists are too far gone, the only hope for them to rejoin civilized society is literal cult deprogramming
Look, I agree with every one of your other points, but to say that “the US has been openly genociding trans people” is ludicrously stupid. Yes, some of the states are making anti-bathroom laws, and some of the states are making laws about not allowing medical/therapeutic support to minors for transitioning, and the federal government is making anti-trans executive orders about colleges… but genocide? Seriously?
Don’t water down the use of the word genocide. It’s a very serious thing that is currently happening and supported by the US, but that is not what is happening with trans people. Yet. It might happen with the way things are going, but not yet.
Most people on here gave Jewish pundits shit for calling 700 Jewish deaths in the October attack another “holocaust” and “genocide.” We give those same people shit for not calling 70,000 Palestinian deaths a genocide. Don’t be like those people.
Trans people being effectively legislated out of existence and the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention has issued three red flag alerts, but go on about how it’s not a genocide
I urge anyone skimming by to the article I linked, if you have 5 minutes. It’s actually a pretty good read. I’ll also note that this is why I fled the US when I had the chance
I would take them seriously but their mobile site is a shit spam of donation ads and unuseable.
Seems like a shit company that’s just trying to profit off good messaging from where I’m sitting.
Pretty great example of good message ruined by greed.
There’s literally one window with a large X in the top right. NPR and Wikipedia do the same thing. But here, I copied the first three paragraphs for you so you don’t have an excuse.
but they didn’t vote for the genocidal kamala.
how could this have happened???
Edit: really? It was not clear enough that this is sarcasm?
U.S. government policy has not even closely reflected the will of the people since 1980, at the latest. Instead, the Overton Window kept moving right, and ever-more neoliberal, until we got to a point at which our only choices were between a grifter with populist energy, and a candidate offering a clearance-bin version of the “HOPE” that turned out to be more neoliberal ratfucking back when an effective salesman had pitched it to us.
And, no surprise, tons of people checked out of a political process which offered no meaningful response to their day-to-day life of getting economically ratfucked, because it just drained their energy for no discernable benefit.
So… you asked.
Ok, the first thing you guys need to do is shut the fuck up about Kamala. Nobody outside the US cares that you’re mad at the people who didn’t vote for Kamala because of Gaza. It’s in the past. The snark makes you feel good but is 100% pointless.
I’m outside the US and am mad