I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
“These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
“Someone leaked the list. Why am I on it??”
A: The list was never hidden just not advertised (lest people game it). I also could have encrypted it, but I merely compressed it for efficiency. If you’re on the list, then one of the 10 reasons above applies.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
As will be explained further, there are 10 rules that are enforced, the biggest one being a very basic “don’t be a violent extremist”. That’s probably 30% of the list. Another 50% are just alts of Dwazou (persistent, long-term ban evader), and the remaining 20% just garden-variety spammers and toxic people who scare the normies away.
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
Honestly, incels have a greater need than normies for a space on the internet where they can be as toxic as they like. On account of nobody willing to listen to them irl… 🤣
And Twitch (where “sadge” derives from, according to my Google-fu), and Tiktok, and Instagram, and don’t forget Lemmy, and… but the thing is, when you’ve been banned from ALL of those, where else do you go next, other than a free instance with an open sign-up policy? 🤪
the list for anyone wondering
Just know that everyone on that list is a violent extremist including me
Proof it,or shut up. /s
I’m on a list. This is a big day for me.
I’m not on the list, and have been thinking if they want to curate their instance/app whatever it was that’s their right.
But “Jessi?e Welle?s” is on the list? I get he’s political, but if you don’t like what he’s saying I think I’d rather associate with the people on the list because if they’re being put next to Jessie they’re probably good people.
Goddamn I’m not just banned as a user, I’m banned as a specific userRegex. That makes me 2x more extremist than the average banned user.
Get on my level you losers.
Tesseract users losing access to your comments is a realitaetsverlustverlust 🤪
Am an average joe, and i also got banned via regex.
So you are not thaat extremist, just an average joe level extremist
Holy fuck I made the list wow
I don’t get it. Is this some personal vendetta the dev has? Have they really been in this many internet arguments? Where did this list come about and why?
Here’s their full explanation: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942
It’s pretty long and includes some insightful details about implementation (making the blocklist’s usage at the discretion of the instance admin though not transparent of its contents and defaulting it to enabled) but this quote boils down the underlying sentiment pretty well:
When you examine the list, by and large, it’s pretty reasonable. Lots of false news, state propaganda, spammers, etc. But also the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (where many of lemmy’s trans denizens call home). We’re included in what the lead developer describes as “bottom of the barrel” “people rejected by civil society.”
Though I do fear the backlash. You’ve got a bunch of malicious spammers, hate-mongers and blackhat state actors who now have an open window to cause a lot of harm (harassment & general sowing of discontent) with the convenient smoke screen of upset trans folks who it can be blamed on.
Really? I’m malicious spammer, hate-monger or blackhat state actor? News to me, but good to know.
I’ll give a short description of the long post.
also, I have to call him not just a dumbass but a malicious dumbass.
the file in question was placed obscurely. updated without directly calling out what it was. and published without notifying users.
seems a lot of effort went into obfuscating the true purpose of the file.
while on the subject of obfuscation. he claimed he “compressed it for efficiency”.
he compressed it, then base64 encoded it. why? why compress it to only expand the size of the file by encoding it??
@ptz@dubvee.org is a dumbass and a shitty dev if he thinks any of the bullshit he said was worth the time it took to say it.
That’s fucked up. And he’s the self-appointed “nice” [secret]police? Yikes.
Seems like it’s hubris / arrogance - a poorly considered attempt to create some kind of ideal social experience.
Been reading up on it a bit, yeah, seems to be the case indeed. Shame it went that way for them.
They posted an explanation in the tesseract community, but it boils down to they want the fediverse to succeed and replace reddit, but there is a contingent of toxic users that they feel is hindering that goal so they precompiled a list for new instance admins.
It’s fully optional and can easily be disabled in the UI
It is not fully optional. It was obfuscated and unremovable. That’s why the backlash has been so severe.
Not to mention, why should a user interface make that decision? That’s up to individual server admins and their userbase.
Fully agree on the weirdness that this would somehow be the concern of a frontend. Nah brh. Very strange.
The author offers a lengthy explanation in their own words as to precisely why this was done. TLDR: people are free to stop using it, but he’s making these changes because he wants to offer this service on behalf of those who don’t enjoy all the toxicity here.
people are not “free to stop using it” if the instance admin is using it.
honestly I don’t even give a fuck about me being on “the list” anymore. I’m more upset that he decided for hundreds if not thousands of users without consulting them or taking into consideration of their opinions.
he took the choice away from them, and that’s kind of the problem with tech anymore.
@ptz@dubvee.org is a scammy piece of shit that got caught and is attempting to do damage control now.
don’t his users and his users users deserve transparency?
Yes they do but the irony present in your reply is palpable.
Incels upon being told no simply create an alt to evade bans.
Tesseract bans them anyway.
WoN’t SoMeOnE pLeAsE tHiNk oF tHe
childrenBaN eVaDeRs?!Sadge :-(
I think you missed the point.
I won’t bother wasting my time explaining it, I’ll just block you.
because I have the choice to do that
Lmfao. I didn’t make it more than a few paragraphs because it’s written with the maturity of a 10 year old in a chocolate sausage museum.
You can really tell they’re up for an honest and open conversation with the community, really trying to improve the Fediverse, with their locking of all comments.
He’s clearly the toxic one and is projecting his issues onto hundreds of others.
Lol. TIL I’m a violent extremist. Me. Boring, professional, suit wearing, family of four having, generic white guy.
The world this guy lives in must be truly weird.
That is like the quintessential serial killer description by his neighbors.
“It’s the quiet ones you gotta watch” -George Carlin
I mean, to be fair, here is that entire paragraph for context:
Based on this, it is much more likely that you are an alt of Dwazou. (Or maybe I am? 🤪 Statistically, between the three of us, you me and the author, ONE of us must be!!)
Why are you talking to yourself? /j
Maybe we both are. I’m not sure we’d know…
k
THAT list is able to be disabled, though people are mad about its discoverability and transparency.
The OTHER list, the smaller instance-level one, reportedly cannot be disabled, seemingly the only recourse for those instances on it are to use his fork of the code.
This is from db0’s reporting, I have not attempted to confirm personally, but I would be happy to be corrected if need be.
Yeah, I didn’t know I had it in me! Death to Zionism. Such violence.
s/ism/ists/g
oops, made a violence
Hey, thanks. I had heard about the list but didn’t know where to find it. Turns out I’m on it, too. Badge of honor.
Same. I even got a whole ass regex.
First read as violet extremist and thought the blacklist was about armpit lickers.
Maaaan guess I need to post more
Not a single SDF user? I guess we’re a peaceful bunch
no 40 checking in!
Tesseract dev: “I made a list of people who willfully misconstrue things to create drama and play the victim”.
people on that list: “OHH WOW SO I’M A VIOLENT EXTREMIST NOW???”
Are you trying to create drama and play the victim while complaining about other people supposedly creating drama and playing the victim?
They have a cure for that, it’s called fucking off.
im no victim i’m the winner here lol
Cunt
Winners are well-regarded for doing everything you’re doing.
nice
did you read the devs reply?, He definitely wasn’t saying this was for annoying people who misconstrue things
I’m not an alt of dwazou, or a spammer so guess that just leaves violent extremist.
TIL the wholesome yuri community are violent extremists.
you learned that? where?
IIRC they said that who is on the list is either extremist or toxic
Some even proudly so, from the looks of things:-P.
they’re allowed lol
smug levels off the charts. gross.
Honestly, incels have a greater need than normies for a space on the internet where they can be as toxic as they like. On account of nobody willing to listen to them irl… 🤣
They already have Twitter and Reddit!
And Twitch (where “sadge” derives from, according to my Google-fu), and Tiktok, and Instagram, and don’t forget Lemmy, and… but the thing is, when you’ve been banned from ALL of those, where else do you go next, other than a free instance with an open sign-up policy? 🤪