It’s her body and she gets to make the choice
Because patriarchy.
That strikes me as a super cop out. People just like to be noticed and recognized and the more of it you have, the more of it you want, just like wealth.
I don’t go to the gym because of unrealistic male body standards, I do it because it feels good to be noticed even after you’ve got kids and you’re happily married. It feels good to win and it feels bad to lose but if you have to lose at least you can crab bucket?
Bruh, its just as simple as that. Apply Occams Razor…
Take me down your line of thought because I don’t see how Occam’s razor applies. Everyone likes to be perceived as attractive or MORE attractive. It’s not just women who take GLP-1s or get plastic surgery. And it’s not just ugly people or pretty people, it’s everybody. It’s nicer to be desirable by popular standards than not. That’s not the patriarchy, that’s comparative evaluation for mate selection.
And if you’re not into that it’s fine, but everyone likes to be viewed as attractive.
I find the “bruh it’s the patriarchy” to be, frankly, pretty fucking dumb.
Im just gonna give you ine example.
I got to the gym, because it improves my health and abilities, allowing me to do more and do it longer. Because I like experiencing life, so it allows me to experience more.
You do it to get noticed. Why?
Why not?
I increase weight and duration to be able to do more or go longer than than other people which brings feelings of accomplishment. It also brings all the benefits you describe. You don’t HAVE to compete, but that doesn’t mean that people who do compete are just victims of the patriarchy, that’s an absurd take.
It’s almost like we can all do things for different reasons and you don’t have a monopoly on why people should do a thing.
You feel the need to compete for attention, because you have been told winning a competition increases your “value”…
Why do you think or feel that competing increases your value, somehow?
You feel its all just “mate selection” and Im telling that is a facet of the patriarchy…
1). Society tells women they need to do things “preventively” to avoid becoming hideous goblins in a few years. That’s why you see 22 year olds getting Botox - they have been told they have to start paying NOW to avoid wrinkles
2). Hollywood and entertainment media have normalized unrealistic standards. And you can’t become a newcomer in that space without conforming to the employable look
3). Gossip media loves to pick apart any millimetre of fat (“Is ______ pregnant? Click to see her baby bump!”) or photo taken in bad lighting (“What is wrong with ______ ‘s health, click to see what our medical specialists have to say”). And then they love to chastise people after they give into plastic surgery (“Click to see ______’s terrible nose job, why DID she do it??”)
Billions of dollars are made making women feel shitty. Nobody is going to let that cash go because morals.
This meme is part of the system here as well.
No one in this thread is complaining about ugly women getting these procedures done. They want women to be attractive, but only on their terms.
Yes it’s irritating that society can celebrate the good qualities of men who aren’t physically attractive (sense of humour, intelligence, kindness, etc.) but has such trouble accepting that a woman who isn’t physically attractive can have worthwhile qualities. We can’t seem to compute when a woman decides that she has other priorities.
She has Graves’ disease.
You are what you think about, and if you don’t control your thoughts, they control you.
I just poop and then I weigh less. And then I eat it again and I weigh the same.
You what.
That’s English, you inliterate
I kind of hate that this implies “ugly” women will not be judged here for using the same beauty procedures as already attractive women.
Not to mention that these beauty procedures are also sought out by men.
Wholesome plot twist; the “already attractive women” includes all the women.
On Lemmy?
Haaaaaahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
It’s a nice thought regardless :)
I’m certain that all women are attractive in somebody’s eye.
You don’t need to defend OP. There’s a reason “already attractive women” is used.
Yeah, this post is just misogynistic.
“You already make my dick hard, why are you still insecure?!”
Yeah it’s gross.
Reverse discrimination, nice.
More like targeted discrimination. OP is a man judging a subset of women.
think of these things like getting a tattoo. -It’s not done for you.
I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.
I also lost about 100 pounds by eating one meal a day and walking a lot and using the EC stack.
In the span of seven years, I nearly quintupled my income.
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I dunno, I think the tides of public opinion are shifting on ozempic. Mostly because of how absolutely awful being fat is on your body. Though, where it’s priced now it’s going to remain a designer drug for vain, rich assholes with a touch of sour grapes for everyone else.
In my own opinion I wouldn’t even put it in the same category as those others.
A healthy body needs fat. As long as you are healthy, you can have fat. The amount and thresholds can vary strongly from person to person.
I’d bet the comment was referring to obesity and not just a healthy amount of fat
Apparently you’re right. I misunderstood it a bit.
hey just wanted to say - thanks for admitting you misunderstood something. such a rare sight on the internet
I agree, but if we look at the CDC: Percent of adults age 20 and older with overweight, including obesity: 72.4% (August 2021-August 2023)
72 point freakin’ 4 percent.
With numbers like that, obesity is more like an epedemic and ozempic is a potential treatment.
Hey that’s obese and overweight. Obese alone is only like half of everyone!
Trü.
I guess I stumbled upon the wording “how awful being fat is on your body”.
Then it should probably be rephrased to say how awful being obese is on your body.
Ozempic causes GI issues, such as paralysis, and numerous other issues like fatigue and depression because starving yourself isn’t healthy. Just exercise and eat a better diet. Exercise is so good for you that fat people who exercise are actually healthier than people of a healthy weight who are sedentary. No fucking way would I ever go on a weight loss drug.
I’m not sure where you read that, but as far as I know it doesn’t cause people to starve themselves. It suppresses hunger so they eat a normal amount of food in an era where calorie-dense, hyperpalatable food is the norm.
Diet and exercise is the gold standard, but some people just can’t regulate their diet for whatever reason. Be it discipline or genetics. Ultimately though it doesn’t matter because the bottom line is a staggering amount of people are at an unhealthy weight.
Being overweight is so bad for your health that known side effects of a drug like ozempic are negligible in comparison. The ones we know about, anyway.
https://wernerhoffman.com/mass-tort-lawyer/ozempic-stomach-paralysis/
It’s like 1/20 patients.
Like with most new drugs it’s something to keep an eye on, though I would be weary of using a source with such a significant financial bias.
Thanks for coming in with that. From what I’ve heard from my family members in healthcare I knew it was bad, I just didn’t have any actual data.
That’s pretty fucking high
I didn’t read it. I had a doctor tell that to me.
Doctors say all sorts of things.
The fundamental premise of prescribing medication is that the best medication is no medication.
Like if someone’s depressed, they should try talking it out before taking anti-depressants.
Once you accept that premise then the doctor’s job is to motivate people to try talking to a friend, or exercising, before prescribing any medication.
“A person who’s feeling sad is much more likely to make a full recovery just talking to a friend a few times a week than someone who starts anti-depressants”
That doesn’t mean that anti-depressants aren’t appropriate for someone who’s really going through it and has exhausted other forms of therapy.
I know all that. I have a lot of family members in healthcare. I responded to you at like 4 am, but I could have given a better response. Still on like 4 hours of sleep lol.
I’m honestly just waiting to see what kind of new side-effects gets listed in the next 5-10 years with these weightloss drugs. I wouldn’t risk anything with this level new medicine, and I’m struggling with losing weight right now.
Social media is brain poison. That’s why, that’s the reason.
If you can’t accept how beautiful you are, the way you are, doing stuff in your face won’t change it either.
The wrost part is the internet and the Barbie effect, that brainwashes women, same as politics, because she did, you have to do it or follow the trend.
Let me tell you what: you are amazing the way you are, you look different, you look beautiful!I get scared of the botox faces, both seen from a screen and IRL. They speak, but face doesn’t move. No emotions. It’s just unsettling. And it’s hard to take the person seriously, even if they were smart.
Often it looks like that the person would be very pretty, definitely not a mirror breaker, under it all. Even makeup often looks like the person would look better after cleaning the skin with a butter knife. I keep hearing from men that their ladies are most prettiest after waking up or just without makeup, but it’s not like they can say that without the lady thinking they’re being sarcastic.
Because makeup is for women what bodybuilding is for men. Go tell a bodybuilder that ladies would find him prettier if he was skinnier, and see his reaction
I was thinking of this while writing!
Dude my gorgeous friend 38 getting filler. Now looks like she’s ate some shellfish she’s allergic to.
Keeps getting it every 6 months or so.
Just awful.
I can’t tell her cause that will make her feel even worse.
God I hope she stops. I’m angry at the advertisement and grifters that convinced her she needed it.
We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway. And she’s thinking she needs to fix her perfect face.
Idk. I just reject all that nonsense. I’m ready to experience this whole life. I want to be an older woman when I’m older. I don’t want to be one way forever. Boring.
But culture tells women they are worthless when they are less fuckable. I hate it.
My wife, 38, objectively gorgeous, is fully on the botox train and it breaks my heart. Feels like its so prevalent a sizeable chunk of the population must have full on body dysmorphia.
We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway.
Is this a thing?? I’m a millennial and don’t look my age and have noticed the same for plenty of other women around my age. I’ve always wondered about it, but hadn’t heard of it in a broad sense.
Having children takes a huge toll on the body. Millennials tend to have none or a lot fewer children than previous generations. Also, millennials eat way healthier and smoke less than their parents and grandparents.
and sunscreen
edit: plus maybe clean air laws.
And even though we grew up without it, we now wear sunscreen.
There’s no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.
Yes… a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women’s physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.
I’m not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn’t excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they’re “supposed” to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say “you have a problem”
comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.
this is a poor argument.
But they’re pressured into it
This is pretending like it’s all women who do this, or even all the ones who care about their appreance. It’s usually only the extremely wealthy and/or famous. Most normal women don’t see the need for these procedures, but the ones trying to be famous/popular are predisposed to thinking others will look down on them for aging.
Am I supposed to know Ariana Grande on some deep interpersonal level to realize that she looks like a walking corpse?
Oh, wow. I hadn’t seen what she looked like in quite a while. I just looked her up, and that’s uncanny. I would bet her issue stems from the fact she became famous as a child, and feels the need to keep up that appearance. Most famous women are trying to prevent indications of aging (and failing harder than doing nothing), but that’s trying to stay looking 30s, not like a teenager.
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself. I dont know you but I’m not gonna offer my opinion cuz no one asked. Just because we all have a soapbox doesn’t mean we gotta use it
No, Ariana is beyond opinion. You can literally count her ribs. I literally cringe every time I see her. It’s beyond attractive or unattractive, she simply is not healthy.
Yeah when you can see their ribcage is when I stop thinking they look good and need to get some calories in them.
Same for the “hyper shredded” men who need to drink more fluids.
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself
Good thing they didn’t offer an opinion.
Ariana Grande looks insanely unhealthy, like a skeleton, and appears to be in a health crisis with either ED or GLP1 abuse.
That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. She’s undeniably not naturally that bone thin, nor that inactive during her performances like she’s been recently.
Wow she responded to Lemmy
“The body that you’ve been comparing my current body to was the unhealthiest version of my body. I was on a lot of antidepressants and drinking on them and eating poorly,” she said. “[I was] at the lowest point of my life when I looked the way you consider my healthy, but that in fact wasn’t my healthy.”
(Actually April 2023)
OK all done with celebrity stuff for the month then! :) cared enough to quickly search once and accidentally found this^ but not opining
This might be shocking to learn, but someone who’s clearly going through a health crisis and is clearly extremely unhealthy due to an ED or GLP1 misuse, may actually lie about being unhealthy to get the scrutiny off of them.
Not to mention Ariana went 30+ years not looking like an actual skeleton. No way in fuck her prior body was less healthy.
“That’s just like your opinion man…”
But this is your opinion that you are sharing even though nobody asked which kind of invalidates your opinion in a way that is humorous
Not an opinion to state that you can keep your opinion to yourself
It’s my opinion that it is an opinion
I like onions.
YOU CANT DO THAT, JUST STATE THINGS ON THE INTERNET
I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn’t necessary.
We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they’re harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the “heroine chick” beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.
“Heroin chic” is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you’re a heroin addict.
“Heroine chick” is Supergirl
“You are my heroine! And by that I mean lady hero. I don’t want to inject you and listen to jazz”
