If only the Greeks could see us now
I always tell people like this that jesus was a short brown skinned jewish man and I take offense to white people portraying him in video and people portraying him as white in paintings too and I swear they would shoot me on the spot if we u.s. losers but we are canadian losers.
What about Lethal Weapon 5?
There’s always been race swapping in films. Just look at John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan.
Maybe we should ask Mongolians how they felt about John Wayne portraying Genghis Khan.
It’s totally fine when white people do it. /s
Am I allowed to be annoyed at race swapping if I’m consistent? If you’re going to make a movie about characters with a canon appearance, the actor should conform to that appearance.
If you’re making Romeo and Juliet, the actors should at least look Italian. Now, if you’re doing a full reimagining, that’s a different thing. If you’re making West Side Story, half your cast should look Puerto Rican. But if you’re just doing a straight telling of a story, especially a historical one, casting choices shouldn’t distract from the story.
hey now! John Wayne always gave the colored folks roles they deserved! /s
Any actor should be able to play any role regardless of race or gender. Anything else is systemic discrimination.
“You can’t play shakespeare because you’re black!” screams the basement dwelling internet troll at the kenyan shakespeare society.
In principle I agree>!!<, but in practice it’s not clear cut.
The main one is some historic accuracy, I say some because the color of the skin doesn’t really matter for most things set in some time period or era where a race wasn’t particularly present.
The second one is just how it looks, we’ll see how well casting Snape for the new Harry Potter goes as it seems to be Harry’s father is bullying the weird black kid. Another one is the Artemis Fowl movie which cases a woman as leader for the Fairy unit, which undermines the actual accomplishment of Holly being the first to get here place as a woman. It’s not the end of the world, but it changes the tone and plot.
Probably not the end of the world, but these problems fall on the same line as other poor adaption/remake choices that actively hurt the story is try to tell. Not everyone can fit into a role in a story, and I don’t think that’s systematic discrimination. And I reiterate, it largely depends on the setting of the story. For most things, gener and race is not a big factor.
I don’t agree.
In most modern movies it doesn’t matter because they are full of random stuff anyway. Multiversese, magic, history that never happened, and so on.
But if they were to make a movie about an african tribe of the 1800s based on real events I wouldn’t be able to take that movie seriously if half or all of them had pink, beige skin or any too obviously genetically impossible traits for the geological area and time the movie plays in.
Immersion sometimes also means accuracy.
Any knee-jerk blanket statements like yours are bad. Not as bad as the racist people who just want to find dumb reasons to exclude actors with skin colors darker than theirs, but still just not very smart.
Which is true for many here.
People really need to find the sweet spots between extremes, sheesh.
So in that case, Americans can only play Americans, Brits can only play Brits etc.
It’s noticeable how this week’s russian psyop style Hollywood furore is over a black actress playing a fictional greek character not Americans and Brits playing fictional greek characters
People like you are the reason why I specifically cgose the words: “Any too obviously genetically impossible traits”
Americans and brits do not look clearly different. Similar enough.
But you must have skipped that part of what I wrote or have just jumped to a knee-jerk answer after the first words?
So from ur PoV, it would also then be fine if for example a white actor would play MLK in a movie about him?
I won’t be happy until a big Nigerian woman plays Sir Winston Churchill
He would just be a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
You’re implying that the next Black Panther could be played by Tom Cruise. I’m not sure I’d be happy about that.
I was thinking vanilla ice
But yeah
Poor Elon Musk. The casting choices on The Odyssey have deeply affected his big, sensitive heart. But you wouldn’t know it, due to his mature stoicism.
I mean, you expect he’d tweet up a storm, post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post after post over several days, making him look like some sort of whiny, tantrum-throwing white supremacist.
But, no. The control that selfless Titan of Industry has over his emotions is inspiring!
I just had a great idea. let’s make a mockumentary about Trump and all his supporters, but cast inversely instead.
let’s get a nice young black man that looks like Obama to play Trump, but we actually name the character something weird like President Donald Doofy but he still acts like Trump.
it’ll be the worlds best troll. all the advertisements will be “doofy” rambling on about how the movie is getting rave reviews and “the best” ratings better than that shitty “melabia or whatever” movie.
The world’s best troll will be when this project gains a critical mass of publicity and Obama himself agrees to play the role of trump. Then several voice coaches would volunteer to help Obama perfectly reproduce Trump’s slurred speeches and memorable lines.
Or maybe it goes in the opposite direction, where he emphasizes his own trademark mannerisms in order to erase any similarity to Trump. He’d be wearing a tan suit, a blue tie, and be all "Look. Uhhh… Nothing bad… can happen! It uh, it can only good happen. But with Tylenol, don’t take it. Don’t take it!”
President Tuba
I do not, and have never, twittered. Nonetheless I have to assume you are being facetious, and that I am missing out on a veritable stream of rageposting nonsense from the 21st-century Midas of Feces.
Isn’t it twatted? (Or if not, then shouldn’t it be?)
This is the worst when the film is legitimately bad, too.
Like, we all pretty much agree Gods of Egypt was a bad movie, but it’s still got defenders because they think we’re mad about the Black God and not the whole entire cast of White Guys.
Even worse is Captain Marvel. It’s just a terrible non-plot without any character growth and intrigue, it’s the female version of Green Lantern 2011, but unlike Green Lantern we can’t all agree it’s a bad movie for all the same reasons.
You said Captain Marvel, I thought Wonder Woman. Same thing though. 😅
I do understand why many people react like that to criticism of something empowering though. If you’ve been oppressed, bullied and hurt for something forever you of course see it everywhere (because that’s where the source of pain usually is/was, fucking everywhere). I’m dealing with that shit myself, it takes serious energy not to immediately jump at people when they express anything that could be transphobic. After an awful day I might only realise later how I overinterpreted a situation.
Now of course there is a small but loud minority of performative “supporters” who completely misinterpret most criticism, verbally attack people on sight and are genuinely annoying for no good reason. That’s an absolute minority though, hard to distinguish from (bad-faith) trolls and just a menace to everyone. Unfortunately you generally can’t distinguish those on social media…
Movie studios go out of their way to amplify a few outspoken racists when people start trying to criticize movies on reasonable grounds. That’s why when all you can hear about a movie is that it’s “woke shit”, it’s because there’s nothing good about it.
Captain Marvel was genuinely just a bland and uninteresting character. Similar story with Rey.
Admittedly a lot of comic book characters are drawn as stoics which is hard to adapt to movie and TV without making them seem unemotional, like with Spawn, except in the Spawn movie we had Klown which more than made up for the lack of facial expression from Spawn.
A similar issue with Hellboy, except we had really good effects and the glorious voice of Ron Perlman to make it work.
I honestly think this was the strategy for The Little Mermaid. Casting Halle Bailey took all the attention off the fact that it was another soulless live-action remake of a Disney classic, and nobody wanted to criticize it because they were afraid of being lumped in with all the racist dipshits (not to mention all the free advertising they got from said racist dipshits’ angry xitter posts).
The musical sections were so off putting to me, idk how that movie got 90% on Rotten Tomatoes if not for vote manipulation.
I haven’t seen it myself, but the only song I’ve heard was an annoying song sung by an annoying character, and the whole song was about how annoying she is. I could only wonder, who is this song for? The whole point of it seemed to be as off-putting as possible.
I loved Captain Marvel! Maybe you need to stop expecting Shakespeare from capeshit?
It’s cool that you enjoyed it! But there’s no need to pretend that this is a binary choice. Guardians of the Galaxy is also capeshit with a stoic woman, yet IMO Gamorra is a much more interesting character than Captain Marvel.
I also liked many parts of the movie, but some other parts were big enough misses that I’m not really interested in rewatching.
Same. We had fun, and the music was great! Also young Samuel L. Jackson!
I feel like the people defending Captain Marvel should be more upset with how hamfisted its attempts at pandering are. Like playing “I’m just a girl” or having someone literally tell her to smile more followd by her saying “did you just ask me to smile more?”
Representation is important, but you have to put in some effort.
Honestly I am sad that telling people to smile more has become a cultural faux pas, I would like to be able to tell everyone to smile more if not for ourselves than for each other.
A good alternative is to find ways to make people smile instead :)
Fuck you. Don’t tell people to smile more; give them a reason to smile! Tell a joke! Be genuinely kind!
Just ignore these losers. Clearly the big movie studios don’t care either, which must mean casting a black person does not affect ticket sales either.
The people defending the casting of the Odyssey are the same people who would get upset if they cast a blond hair blue eyes white girl as clayapatra.
Some people don’t want to let anyone else tell a story.
But sometimes its just racism.
Bridgerton probably gives these people seizures
The sentiment doesn’t really fit the character at all.
Donnie, no!
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