It is wrong to escalate quickly to violence against an ambiguous transgression, especially with someone older for whom a fall can easily be life threatening. The goal of a culture where a stranger doesn’t do that is a correct goal, and one we share - it is achieved by firmly but peacefully correcting the old man but using the incident as a teachable moment for the child. Explain to them what should have happened and why. It’s not too late for them to create a kinder, more respectful culture in time. I think going straight to violence is a misstep on that path, and making amends in the end was the right call.
But now the message is, “old people can touch whoever they want and you’ll be punished for stopping them.”
Earlier, Yeo told Singapore news outlet Channel News Asia that he had patted the little girl’s head because she “was very adorable”.
Stupid, shallow, selfish.
“Old people like to pat young children’s heads,” he said.
That does not make it okay. What the actual fuck?
He added that he started hurting hours after the fall, and that he was taking paracetamol for his pain.
I feel zero sympathy, dude should not have touched a child.
In another post, the elderly man’s son thanked the police for responding to the matter quickly, adding that he sincerely hoped “justice will be served for my father”.
Justice was almost served, but apparently he didn’t get his ass kicked hard enough.
I am worried for you repeatedly concluding that violence is the only way to send a message of disapproval.
You can use your voice, you can use verbal signs like getting up and closer, without touching. Showing that you are ready to physically defend your child if the stranger does not back off right now. There is a huge realm of interaction between “letting it pass” and “violence”
The message the child receives is, someone randomly invaded my personal space and my parent got very upset with this person.
What message does it send to a child to respond to any socially wrong interaction with instant violence.
Being a parent though i can understand the sudden emption causing a violent outbursts. But at least these parents understand after the fact that they could responded better.
But at least these parents understand after the fact that they could responded better.
And the old man and every other pervert have been encouraged to offend again. Really fucked up that you’re not getting this. The old man did something wrong and harmful, and now is pretending to be the victim.
That’s because we live in a complex world where multiple things can be true. Trauma can limit our ability to process this, in my experience. The old man was in the wrong, and he was a victim of violence. I’m not trying to fight you, I just think you might have limited objectivity because of your personal experiences.
When you say “it’s really fucked up that you’re not getting this”, you might be noticing the disconnect between your interpretation of events and the way people who aren’t viewing the situation through a lens of trauma might see it.
I’m sorry if it sounds like I’m using your history against you, those are just the cards I see on the table and just one possible interpretation.
So it’s possibly the son who is to blame for possibly not taking good care of mentally ill dad.
They might even be trying to pass off their own guilt of knowing that dad needs a caretaker to go in public into blaming the family.
But now i feel even more that i should quote this part of the article, cause its all we have been doing.
The police urged people “not to speculate on the incident or its circumstances” and to let police “conduct investigations and establish the facts of the case”.
I think the point stands even if we ignore this specific incident: If you touch someone in public without their consent, especially a child, you can and probably should be harmed in retaliation. Boundaries and consent are essential. Fuck around, find out.
Can absolutely, should without further context? Hard no.
If they pose an actual threat you have a right to defend your family. Thats an entirely different then they should be hurt as payback.
Mentally ill people are not fucking around. They are also not finding out because they don’t always understand what they did or why others reacted,
They just need help.
Actually i think you might be one of those people.
My kids have like all kids acted inappropriately in public at times, and i don’t want to know how you would respond to it if they accidentally invaded your personal space in the process.
It is wrong to escalate quickly to violence against an ambiguous transgression, especially with someone older for whom a fall can easily be life threatening. The goal of a culture where a stranger doesn’t do that is a correct goal, and one we share - it is achieved by firmly but peacefully correcting the old man but using the incident as a teachable moment for the child. Explain to them what should have happened and why. It’s not too late for them to create a kinder, more respectful culture in time. I think going straight to violence is a misstep on that path, and making amends in the end was the right call.
But now the message is, “old people can touch whoever they want and you’ll be punished for stopping them.”
Stupid, shallow, selfish.
That does not make it okay. What the actual fuck?
I feel zero sympathy, dude should not have touched a child.
Justice was almost served, but apparently he didn’t get his ass kicked hard enough.
I am worried for you repeatedly concluding that violence is the only way to send a message of disapproval.
You can use your voice, you can use verbal signs like getting up and closer, without touching. Showing that you are ready to physically defend your child if the stranger does not back off right now. There is a huge realm of interaction between “letting it pass” and “violence”
The message the child receives is, someone randomly invaded my personal space and my parent got very upset with this person.
What message does it send to a child to respond to any socially wrong interaction with instant violence.
Being a parent though i can understand the sudden emption causing a violent outbursts. But at least these parents understand after the fact that they could responded better.
And the old man and every other pervert have been encouraged to offend again. Really fucked up that you’re not getting this. The old man did something wrong and harmful, and now is pretending to be the victim.
That’s because we live in a complex world where multiple things can be true. Trauma can limit our ability to process this, in my experience. The old man was in the wrong, and he was a victim of violence. I’m not trying to fight you, I just think you might have limited objectivity because of your personal experiences.
When you say “it’s really fucked up that you’re not getting this”, you might be noticing the disconnect between your interpretation of events and the way people who aren’t viewing the situation through a lens of trauma might see it.
I’m sorry if it sounds like I’m using your history against you, those are just the cards I see on the table and just one possible interpretation.
The old man was in the wrong and didn’t learn shit. He was not a victim. He made an unacceptable choice.
When your kids are the ones being touched, I hope you tell them the truth: that you personally encouraged their abusers.
I hope you get to a better place mentally, this isn’t healthy.
My parents hit me before I could think. Instead of stopping them, you’re defending their mindset.
Fuck you. Children are people.
So are old people. Everyone’s people. The golden rule covers this. Are you going to condone violence just because violence was done to you?
Edit: I feel foolish for assuming good faith in retrospect. How utterly sad whether they are serious or trolling.
How do you know this is a pervert and not just an awkward confused elder?
It could have been a pervert yes, thats why you get up and tell them off. Make it clear that they’re being inappropriate.
Public shaming is incredibly effective in altering future behaviour.
But you don’t actually know their motives.
I also don’t think the old man is pretending anything, it’s seems to be his son who is doing that and talked to the media.
Personally i think that son should realise dad is at a stage where they should not go outside on their own.
I’m not sure son gives a shit about his father or the victim, too many dollar signs in his eyes as he seeks “justice”.
So it’s possibly the son who is to blame for possibly not taking good care of mentally ill dad.
They might even be trying to pass off their own guilt of knowing that dad needs a caretaker to go in public into blaming the family.
But now i feel even more that i should quote this part of the article, cause its all we have been doing.
I think the point stands even if we ignore this specific incident: If you touch someone in public without their consent, especially a child, you can and probably should be harmed in retaliation. Boundaries and consent are essential. Fuck around, find out.
Can absolutely, should without further context? Hard no.
If they pose an actual threat you have a right to defend your family. Thats an entirely different then they should be hurt as payback.
Mentally ill people are not fucking around. They are also not finding out because they don’t always understand what they did or why others reacted, They just need help.
Actually i think you might be one of those people.
My kids have like all kids acted inappropriately in public at times, and i don’t want to know how you would respond to it if they accidentally invaded your personal space in the process.