I believe if everyone who was against the current oligarchy started placing guillotine stickers everywhere, like you might for a favorite band, people would feel less isolated in their distaste for the current system.
And in an ideal world those who the guillotines are for might realize just how much they are in the minority.
We don’t need all of that iron age tech. Just go biblical and smash a rock down on their heads.
I could get behind a “Normalize bullying the Espstein Class” one. I’ve also seen a guillotine meme renaming it as “Guwutine”, which was funny AF. Memetic guillotine has potential.
and when that’s not enough
All guillotines are equal. But some are more equal than others.
I had a conversation with a guy who I thoght was on my level. Stand up for racism, stand up for the minority, action things yourself instead of waiting.
Turns out he thinks the Palestinians are racist, the minority was being an ant masker, and his actions are… Well a rsult of those ideas.
Same ideologies different outcomes.
What is an ant masker?
We should popularize using the guillotine
as a symbol of the common manFixed that for you.
Violence does work to change society, but usually not immediately.
Slave rebellions in the US led to people changing their views of slavery and strengthened the abolitionist cause
The Haymarket Affair led to increased labor protections
Coal wars led to improved mine safety standards
Stonewall basically created the movements that seek to protect LGBTQ+ people.
Attica prison riot resulted in reforms of prison management.
Watts rebellion changed views on poverty and discrimination
1992 LA uprising led to increased attention on police misconduct
Of course, none of the people involved in the violence saw immediate improvements, and most of them suffered for their involvement.
Violence informs the Epstein class that they’ve pushed too far, so they ratchet things back a bit to try to keep their heads.
Don’t pretend that they care about the signs and chants or some commuter inconvenience. They’re motivated by a fear of starvation, fire, and blood.
Also, if you look at some of the examples I listed, the violence was started by the police or private security sent to suppress otherwise non-violent (albeit loud and threatening) protest.
None of the No-Kings protests have become anything that anyone would feel the need to suppress. However, they give a small chance of hope that it will lead to something real.
The phrase “Off with their head” is about to be hip again.
how about a nice flag with AKs on it like Hamas. yeeeeaaahh so coool
try the ballot box you thugs
Russia already rigged the last one.
Plan B: abbdandon our accursed civilization.
Gods forbid a leftist gets you better pay or healthcare you apathic liberal.
How about trying some of these:
https://www.aeinstein.org/198-methods-of-nonviolent-action
…before getting violent.
Nonviolence is only effective with the threat of violence.
Non violent and legal protest are not the same thing. Then there is violence to property only too.
Boycotts can work if you have mass support and are totally legal. Blockades are usually illegal but non violent.
Currently seems like there is a lack of organisation. Even simple stuff like stop using the massive corporations as much is difficult to get anyone to do. Even if it saves them money!
Here in the UK, attacking certain property gets you prosecuted for criminal damage, then sentenced as a terrorist.
Perversely, this leads to a longer prison sentence than you’d get for direct violent action.
Most of these have been tried and we now have a new Gestapo rounding up minorities and letting them die in detention camps, while the rich bid on how they will redesign Gaza once the genocide is complete.
Nonviolent action has not stopped this regime, but one assassinated CEO has rippled changes in healthcare and made the epstein class scared. While I do advocate for nonviolence first, we are well beyond the point where violence isn’t reciprocal
Non violent methods work but you need far more organisation for it to work. 1 person can kill a billionaire. It takes action of millions to starve a large corporation.
If you can point to one actual change directly from that CEOs death you would shock the hell out of me.
Prepare to be shocked.
Immediately after his death, his company loosened their standards and offered care to thousands who had been previously denied, and so did every other health care company. I have read many stories of people who had been denied previously, and were suffering, and even dying, who finally got treatment following the Corporate Serial Killer’s justifiable execution.
It didn’t last, and they went back to business as usual, but that only demonstrates that we have to eliminate a random health care CEO every few months, to keep these Parasites under control.
their was a noticable decrease in declined claims immediately following his death, some lives were saved (or improved, if only temporarily) as a direct consequence of that parasite finally being taken out
Now imagine if EVERY corrupt action/rulebreak was meet with a bullet? Everyone who is there for the scam, would not bother applying.
That’s one way to build solidarity, there are countless others and we should be using as many as possible, as quickly as possible.
The guillotine was primarily used against innocent commoners during the French Revolution, and the last guy guillotined was the guy who had been in charge of deciding who to guillotine next. If anything, the guillotine symbolizes the fact if you normalize political violence against your opponents then you also normalize it against yourself.
Politely asking for brown shirts to stop abducting families will never work.
Sure, the guillotine in practice wasn’t used the way it would be/is used as a symbol. But as a symbol it current represents the working class revolting against the rich. That sentiment isn’t a bad one, it’s desperately needed at this time.
They’ve given no room for peaceful resolution. The next step is the natural result.
MAGA doesn’t understand, or respect history, so it’s still useful symbol to scare them. We don’t want to take our ultimate threat against them off the table. After all, they’ll never remove the threat to murder us all, so we shouldn’t either. When the time comes, we don’t HAVE to deploy it, but we should always keep the option, in case of worse case scenarios.
A spiral of unmeasured violence against everything I don’t like will work this time. I promise.
if you normalize political violence against your opponents then you also normalize it against yourself.
Their political violence against us (their opponents) has always been normalized and it never led to what you said.
When political violence is normalized on one side already, why shouldn’t the other fight back?
Because the cycle of violence always escalates and is ultimately self-defeating.
Just make sure you finish the fight
Does it though? Read back through history
So defending yourself is self-defeating?
Interesting take…
No, that would be a most uncharitable interpretation of what I’ve been saying (and rather a loaded question.)
There’s never been a successful revolution?
Violent revolutions have a huge risk of producing prolonged violence, authoritarianism, or other disastrous outcomes, even if they succeed in overthrowing the old regime.
On the other hand here are some successful non-violent revolutions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution
Also watch out for selection bias - we tend to remember revolutions that became enormous historical events. Check out this table of pitiful forgotten revolutions and note how many “Suppression of the rebellion” there are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts
Holy liberal brainrot. Did you just seriously link the wikipedia article for “color revolutions”, a series of CIA-backed counterrevolutionary and deeply reactionary insurgencies, as a list for successful non-violent ‘revolutions’?
All of those color revolutions had massive detrimental effects on the population, skyrocketing inequality, destroying decades of progress in women’s liberation (the ex-Yugo regions for example still aren’t close to catching back up), and destroying education systems and economies, forcing them to sell out to international capital.
So how exactly did they produce “better institutional outcomes” than actual Socialist revolutions? Easier to exploit on the world market? Better startup culture? Lmao
Is the CIA in the room with us right now?
On August 23, 1989, a momentous event unfolded that would forever leave its mark on history. Two million people joined hands, creating an unbroken human chain that spanned over 600 kilometres, linking the capital cities of Vilnius in Lithuania, Tallinn in Estonia, and Riga in Latvia. This awe-inspiring display of unity and determination became famously known as “The Baltic Way.” It was a peaceful protest against the illegal Soviet occupation and also one of the earliest and longest unbroken human chains in history.
The Baltic Way was more than just a physical connection; it was a profound political demonstration for freedom.
Remarkably, within just six months of this transformative protest, on March 11, 1990, Lithuania declared its independence, becoming the first of the Soviet Republics to do so.
You don’t even know what you’re talking about, conflating apples and oranges. The Baltic independence movements aren’t referred to as color revolutions, those happened in the 2000s in Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan.
And of course, something cannot be the result of foreign involvement, awful racial-nationalist thought that has plagued the Baltics for ages (and still does), and malevolent capital interests if lots of people are holding hands, that much is clear.
That depends on how you define success. It also depends on how you define revolution. If the French Revolution can be defined as ending when Napoleon crowned himself Emperor, then I think that qualifies as a failed revolution.
But there’s been successful revolutions, so the cycle of violence does not always escalate.
The cycle will escalate until it is broken. How long it runs before it gets broken might be a useful part in defining “successful revolution”: the successful ones break the cycle of violence as early as possible.
Violence is inescapable.
Do you eat food? That is an act of violence.
Not all acts of violence use physical force; not all uses of physical force are acts of violence.
Did the food consent to being harvested?
No, because no food can, other than arguably humans, but that’s usually illegal.
I would count killing and eating an animal as a non-violent, physically forceful act, all else being equal. I realize that puts me at odds with many vegetarians and vegans, but in the context of violence against other human beings I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
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Violence is any act which removes the rights from another being, this includes the right to live, this includes the right to autonomy.
Even vegans commit violence, plants can feel, and don’t consent to being eaten. (Gets a bit funny when it comes to stuff where it’s not actually alive though, just a vector to spread seeds)
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Sure that’s a fair criticism, but it was a symbol of anger the common man had with the nobility. Political violence is already on our streets. ICE has murdered people in the street.
It was normalized against us decades ago
Yes yes. And Guy Fawkes was a religious nutter and completely unsuccessful at his goals.
Symbols change.
This seems fundamentally different because a mask of some guy does not itself contain information about what that guy was all about, but a guillotine is very unambiguously a machine for efficient and gruesome executions.
and what part of, “machine for efficient and gruesome executions” implies, “political violence between ruling factions and definitely not commoners rising up”?
It doesn’t matter because the method is inherently a bad idea because
if you normalize political violence against your opponents then you also normalize it against yourself.
is just the truth whether or not anyone remembers it, and the symbol is inseparable from the method.
No. The last one was [this gent] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamida_Djandoubi), in 1977, for ‘kidnapping, torture, and murder’.
The last guy guillotined *during the French Revolution
Ok, my bad then. But, anyway, that fact didn’t ring a bell at all, and a quick web search doesn’t get me anything, and it sounds a bit like a made up folk tale, honestly. So if you could get me some source on that last feller guillotined during the French Revolution it would be great.
Not sure if he was 100% the final person guillotined during the French revolution but I’m pretty sure they’re referring to Robespierre. I thought he was pretty well known but idk maybe that’s just because I watched a load of nerdy shit growing up.
It’s Maximilien Robespierre, head of the Committee of Public Safety during the Reign of Terror.
My point is less about him being the literal last person executed by guillotine, and more about his execution by guillotine marking the end of a period of mass executions by guillotine, largely because he had been the leading champion of mass executions by guillotine.
facts.
The last guy guillotined was a POS who deserved it
Where’s my fucking Guillotine emoji?!
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When I think of guillotine, I think of the French revolution, which is about as far from a common man protest as you can get. It’s a good example of minority rule and authoritarianism
Well. Yes and no. It actually started off good.
Did you know it was women who initiated it and then after they got control then the men came in and pushed them out and put Napoleon in charge.
There were a couple more steps in between, with most of them ranging from “awful” to “sickeningly awful.” But yeah, acknowledged that the initial intention was noble. Unfortunately, that’s not what ended up being the vast majority of the revolution
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Not just the guillotine, but also the machete.
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Rusty Cage built one in Florida when he saw the writing on the wall, before Trump even got elected
One outside every town hall and posh golf club.
Stickers are not threatening. Models yes!
If there were stickers on every car’s rear window, every person’s water bottle, every lamp post calling for my execution, I’d feel threatened.
Possibly. But the amount of people that are still passive or support them means this wouldn’t happen unfortunately
We should popularize using the guillotine
I’m confused about why people think the guillotine is cool. Feeling entitled to lynch people who you see as the enemy is the symbol of being a psychopath, not a symbol of social justice.
Most peoples’ first step isn’t lynching. This serves as a symbol for what is to come if they don’t stop their incessant greed. They should be afraid.
Anyone else notice a sudden uptick in guillotine related content over the past week or so?
It’s been steadily growing for a while now, seems like resistance in general is high in the zeitgeist lately.
People are getting angrier every day because no one is holding real criminals who harm millions, accountable.
In fact it’s being enabled by all levels of government.
We are angry because regular citizens are being called terrorist because they attend protest or try to defend themselves against out-of-control cops and ice “agents”.
We are angry that data centers have more protection and rights than a regular human citizen.
We are angry our neighbors, friends, family are being dragged out of the homes, cars, or just off the street. Beaten. Held in gulags and starved and tortured for months , illegally. And no one is stopping it.
We are angry our taxes are being used to murder innocent people in other countries in some of the most inhumane and horrendous ways. Children burned alive. Men and women beaten and raped. And raped by dogs in israel prisons.
That’s our money doing those things instead of being used to care for our citizens.
Not even getting into bombing schools and hospital of innocent people. Whoes only crime is being on land with a resource our president and his buddies want.
We are angry about those things and so many more.
The people responsible should be grateful it’s a guillotine and not a chainsaw.
Guillotine is fast clean death. They don’t deserve that.
