I just wish people would stop acting like I am a “Doomer” over this shit.
Every year its record high summers and winters, tnado alley is moving, rain patterns are all fucked up, I am not even a professional and I can tell the extreme weather shifts from climate change are happening.
I’ve tried having this same conversation with my mum multiple times and she keeps saying that there has been no meaningful increase in temperatures in her lifetime and I’m just thinking what are you talking about?! I just don’t understand what they stand to lose by admitting that humans have demonstrably increased the global temperatures.
Some level of personal guilt for continuing to exist in a system where fossil fuels are burned on their behalf and we often need to burn them ourselves to live a nornal life because the alternatives may barely exist. For example see DEI bike lanes in the states and the banning of them in ontario in canada thus promoting more car use and discourage/making it more dangerous to bike.
Kids today just love to complain about the weather. It was hot when i was young too and the rain didn’t stop us. Tornados have always happened outside their traditional range occasionally. If CO2 is to blame then volcanos are the real problem. /s
My government will do nothing until most politicians dies in not one but multiple tornadoes hitting the parliament… in the same year…
And then they would invest in better healthcare plans, and better security
*for the MPs
People who call you a doomer over this are just those who want to keep their head in the sand.
But at least we made a bunch of grotesque genocidal pedophiles obscenely wealthy.
notice that that sharp increase follows 2 events… AI data Centers and literally everything Trump related.
The acceleration, which becomes visible around 2013 to 2015
The massive AI data centers are too new to have an effect yet.
that only takes out one event. there is still Trump and the rest of the corporate corruption causing pollution
I hate data centers as much as the next guy but usually there is a lag time of several years for climate change to link to its causes. We probably haven’t seen the worse of the climate related impacts for up to date AI use yet.
I’m sure in a few years we will find out they already had a bunch of secret AI data centers already built…
Even the billionaire cult conterences shifted from “debunking global warming” to “adapting to global warming”.
The thing that doesn’t get called out enough is that many greenhouse gasses have a lag time before they actually start causing heat. CO2 for example takes about 20 years if I recall correctly. So we are seeing the results of what was emitted years ago… not necessarily the current emissions.
Really? I’ve never heard of this, and I’m a climate scientist… Not saying it’s definitely wrong, but a citation would be good.
Edit: Huh, seems it’s true: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/3/031001 although that is for large pulses of CO2, I don’t know how that translates into a constant stream of emissions…
Well greenhouse gases are often described as a blanket and a blanket doesn’t immediately get warm, it take time. I doubt the trickling effect is much different in lag time than sudden pulses, its just gradually increasing the blanket rather than pulling it all on at once. Its still gonna take time for more solar energy to accumulate by bouncing off the trickling in CO2.
In the book plows, plagues, and petroleum, the author uses several factors of humans history to argue that man made climate change was slowly having an impact much before the industrial revolution, which is the common “starting point” for most people and scientists. Althought not as drastic as this sudden increase in fossil fuel burning, they argue that impacts such as deforestion and burning of cropland in early human settlements had a measureable impact on carbon sinks and carbon releases, still enough to start skewing the natural rate of climate change.
Yeah… realising I was not making a distinction between greenhouse effect (e.g. increased rate of warming), and the result (e.g. actual increased heat content/temperature. I think the rate of warming increase is basically instant, but yes, it takes some time for the temperature levels to catch up.
I don’t know if I was explicitly taught it at uni, buy I have always understood as a climate scientist that GHG emissions started before the industrial revolution (albeit small). I think that’s common knowledge in climate science.
How fucked are we?
My intuitive answer is that the collapse of globalised industrial society seems fairly likely (as a result of the end of cheap liquid fuel if nothing else). What that looks like is highly dependent on how we respond - it’s not a climate problem, it’s a social problem.
I don’t think humans are going to go extinct, but a population crash seems likely. And we’re taking out a tonne of other species.
They may be thinking of the half-life of C02, around 120 years … or the delayed effect of temperature uptake by the ocean. I’m not a clime scientist.
I edited in a reference - it’s a thing aparently
I have also detected this by the way it is.
That’s pretty neat!
Yearly average global mean surface temperature from five data sources, in two versions: (top) unadjusted, (bottom) adjusted for El Niño/Southern Oscillation, volcanism, and solar variation. All are aligned so that the average from 1991 to 2020 equals 0.88°C, to approximate warming since pre-industrial.
I wonder if this have anything to do with moving quickly from “we must all limit our energy consumption” to “we must burn as much energy possible for no real purpose”.
I guess we’ll never know /s
we should ask AI!
Fire up the natural gas generators, this baby isn’t grid tied yet!
Since it started in the mid 2010s, it’s probably not AI related. That will be an extra addition…
I know people who are having babies now; and to think I was worried what would happen in my lifetime.
I have kids. those little shits deserve it for all the times they hit me in the balls when I had to drag them to the timeout spot.
Here in Argentina we are getting 20°c in the middle of winter, last summer lasted 6 months
That’s what you get when you build insane amounts of AI data centers. In The Netherlands Microsoft data centers are responsible for 1% of all power consumption in the country. Google refuses to give insight in their power consumption. And now there’s a sharp acceleration in global warming. I wonder how. FFS.
That 1% figure was one data center, not combined. That one had to disclose its energy usage. And the country has an energy problem
The acceleration started happening 11-13 years ago…
Yeah, because if it wasn’t for AI, the climate would be just fine.
Blame the motor vehicle, logging, industrial farming, factories…
I get that AI is the new poster-boy for everything that’s wrong with the world, but the environment was fucked long before it came along.
Plus in theory the data centers could be using green energy, makung their main impacts come from the cooling towers and additional mining of resources rather than the energy they consume. Its the same argument with EVs they are better if powered by green energy, but still better if the energy isn’t spent at all, for example being able to take a bike to the store rather than a 6000 lbs EV.
Right, “AI” LLM chatbot companies shouldn’t exist, for many reasons; climate change is just the cherry on top for why they should be dismantled.
I believe there could be some valid uses for responsible use of them, but summarizing the best chocolate chip cookie recipes every time someone searches for a recipe certainly isnt that use.
If you spend an evening in talking with an AI instead of streaming a movie from Netflix in 4k you’d have used less energy. Which would be still less than just the gas used to drive a few miles away for a night out.
And all data center usage is significantly less than something like A/C usage (which is likely to be increasing as temps increase).
There’s a lot of legitimate grievances and concerns about AI — just today I was seeing a mathematician having an identity crisis in response to the unrelenting solving of open questions, something probably every field will soon struggle with adapting to — but the inflated perception of the environmental impacts means that so much less public attention is being spent on the actual culprits and possible solutions thereof.
There should be solar panels on all the roofs to help offset aircon use etc.
I have solar panels on my roof, why don’t you?
For me its mostly the cost to benefit ratio given my current electricity prices. At current prices I’m not even sure I’d break even financially for my maintenaince costs of solar (like battery replacement) versus just paying my utility bill. As energy prices change that might change but currently it doesn’t make sense for me, i still have a mortgage to pay and other major repairs to do to my house and ideally id have to prematurely redo the roof before installing solar.
Meanwhile, my workplace just announced RTO, starting next year. It’s a moderately large, 100% white collar office site.
Gotta drive those CO2 numbers up, baby!“Data centers fix this” -billionaires probably
And then AI says the should reduce emissions and they order some engineers to fix that clearly broken model 🙄
Thanks Americans. You enabled this.
Damn Oceania
That would be a crazy timeline if somehow, despite any logic or sense, we discovered that the tiny island of Tuvala was somehow responsible for a quarter of the world’s cumulative CO2 emissions. 😂
“We WILL HAVE our Rapture, one way or another!”
– Average Christo Fascist American Idiot
They might have accelerated it, but it’s been happening since the Industrial Revolution.
It’s a few more than them.
Tranlation: Do you remember the level in Super Mario Bros. 3 where the Sun tries to kill you?
This is today.
