Germany’s Bundesrat, the upper house of parliament, backed a bill to criminalize the denial of Israel’s right to exist on Friday, a motion that constitutional experts said could jeopardize freedom of expression.
According to the bill, anyone denying Israel’s right to exist or calling for its abolition would be punished with a prison sentence of up to five years under the regulation. The bill will be examined by the Bundestag, the lower house of parliament, after its summer recess.
That’s some Zionist bullshit. I guarantee that and criticism of Israel would end up being lumped in.
Already is in Germany. It’s even illegal to protest in Germany in a different language, and that rule was specifically made to target the anti-genocide protests using Palestinian freedom slogans that have been around for decades
And what about Palestine’s right to exist? Lebanon? Syria?
I don’t know what “Israel’s right to exist” means. Like, I believe that Israel should exist as a secular, democratic country with fully equal rights for all people regardless of their ethnicity or religion, with the right of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to return, with reparations for the victims of genocide and apartheid, with full accountability for the perpetrators of crimes against humanity, and with a national project overseen by the international community that will effect the deep institutional and educational deradicalization of the population, including a complete political and institutional repudiation of all kind of jewish-supremacist forms of zionism, as well as a German-style Erinnerungskultur, and by having as its Staatsräson a commitment to the defence and security of Palestine. Is it jail for me in the Bundesrepublik or not?
Yes, jail for you. German law is about Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state (and everything that comes with that which they don’t speak about and ignore).
Some countries hove more rights that some people.
Anarchism made a thought crime in Germany.
Can we first know what “right to exist” means for the context of a nation state? Surely, Nazi Germany didn’t have a “right to exist”. So, surely it’s not a universal right like a person’s right to exist? This means there are things a state can do that revoke it’s “right to exist”? So, what does it actually mean?
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All states (even Nazi Germany) have a “right to exist” and it cannot be revoked.
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No states have a “right to exist”.
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All states have a right to exist until some defined violation that revokes that right.
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It’s a meaningless phrase that is only used in the context of defending a genocidal apartheid state.
I’m leaning towards thinking they are using the last definition.
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This whole shit about “Right to exist” is extremely absurd.
Never before, anywhere else on the planet, no other country was ever questioned to have the right to exist.
Fuck these genocidal colonialists, trying to smooth ambiguous sentences with acceptance for their genocide.
exactly. does Genovia have a right to exist? that’s the fictional European kingdom from The Princess Diaries. it’s doesn’t exist. but does it have a right to?
The Germans really love genocide.
What does genocide have to do with this bill?
The modern state of Israel is a settler-colonial state, inherently built on genocide. Saying that it should be dismantled and replaced with something better shouldn’t be a crime, and making it one is ignoring nearly a century of context. Nearly a century of context inextricably linked to Germany, no less.
What about Palestine’s right to exist? They going to pass a similar law about that?..no?.. Didn’t think so.
I do not recognize terrorist states. Free Palestine. And fuck you Germany. You never changed.
So you also don’t recognize Palestine because of the atrocities of October 7th? I think there should be protection for both states and for all human beings living there.
I think there should be protection for both states and for all human beings living there.
Cool. How do you proposing twisting the arm of the fucking apartheid regime that is currently engaging in genocide to get it to comply with that aspiration? Really open to suggestions.
You mean Israel gunning down their own people because of the Sampson Doctrine or whatever the fuck it’s called? People who are being violently oppressed are going to violently resist oppression. That’s how this shit works.
The “Hannibal Directive”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
“Shoot the hostage” - Israel edition.
As used on October 7th:
Yep. Literally their own fucking papers have reported on the fact that they shot their own people.
Get lost
It’s so interesting that Palestine as a whole is responsible for a terrorist attack, but the Israeli government spending decades stealing Palestinian land and currently enacting a genocide is blameless. I’m sure that has nothing to do with racism.
Same vibe as those shouting “all lives matter” at BLM protests.
People OK, government bad.
Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.
Apartheid Israel needs to undergo some very painful changes, starting with ending their genocide against Palestinians.
Israel is a settler colonial project, it fundamentally cannot exist as a pluralistic society.
Palestine used to be a pluralistic society.
Settler colonial projects absolutely can become pluralistic societies.
<gestures wildly at South Africa>
Israel should exist as a pluralistic society.
Pissrael is colonial apartheid white supremacist project. It needs to be completely dismantled and destroyed.
Many many people should be tortured and executed, all the rest can be imprisoned and forced to reconstruct every building destroyed. The sentence ends when Palestine is fully rebuilt.
Palestine should be the only state and we should mind our own business on how they should govern their land.
Okay but where do you put the jews afterwards? Shall we build camps in Europe again?
Ahhh and there it is the zionist conflating religion and nationality. Good job you are a cunt.
And may the Israeli themselves receive the same right to exist as they give the Palestinians.
That has been illegal already afaik, so what changed?
It was illegal to deny holocaust. Fuck Israhell
No, antisemitism (or really any kind of discriminatory sentiment) is / has been punishable by law already. Among other things, there is precedence that denying Israels right to exist can count as such. While German law is not based on precedence, it shows that it was de facto illegal to do so.
What is legal is to criticise Israel and call out their crimes against humanity, but the political bubble has somehow been convinced it’s not that bad and they are the good ones.
I don’t see Germany making laws about other state’s rights to exist. And also, states don’t have rights to exist.
Don’t be a dumb dumb protecting stupid laws.
Fuck ze germans and fuck Israel
