But here’s the thing, it ain’t the owners’ problem either. They’re winning. The whole reason they do this is to externalize labor costs and do ad hoc market segmentation, except it’s based on customers kinda being dicks. When you don’t tip in the US, you have sided with the owners and have said to the server, “you are worth minimum wage.”
No, not going is the solution. By patronizing a business that runs of tips, you are paying the business and perpetuating the system whether you tip or not, the only person you hurt by not tipping is the worker.
“Then they can find another job,” and you can find another restaurant, but you didn’t, you chose to go to the one that relies on tips and specifically chose fuck over the poor employee hoping to afford rent and food this month while paying the boss full price so he makes a profit, and telling the employee that you didn’t pay him because his boss is a dick (as if he didn’t fucking know that). Ok fine the worker moves to a warehouse gig, and the restaurant hires the application at the top of the stack and exploits them on your dollar until they too get fed up, rinse and repeat because someone always needs something quick to stave off homelessness and you can’t figure out how to heat up your own fucking chickey nuggies.
If people only went to restaurants that didn’t rely on tips in the US there would be no restaurants whatsoever and all workers would be out of a job.
If people go to the restaurant and don’t tip at some point the waiter can say to their boss that they either get a living wage or they can go to the restaurant thst doesn’t rely on tips (since from your comment they are so common).
From my European POV don’t trick me with fake prices. If the item I’m buying is presented to me with the cost of X then that’s what you should expect and demand of me. Tipping is extra, voluntary and based on above average service.
Shit when I was there last time I got asked for a tip for asking for an item that was off the shelf. It wasn’t even cooked or prepared in any way and it wasn’t even supposed to be consumed in that café. I wasn’t going to pay 20% on an expensive bag of coffee just because some waiter fetched it literally from the shelf behind him. It’s insane
Besides basically everything else runs off tips so it works. Or do you tip your landlord with the rent??
If people only went to restaurants that didn’t rely on tips in the US there would be no restaurants whatsoever and all workers would be out of a job.
But you’re fine exploiting those workers who need that job and not tipping? Honestly fuck you for that. I’d rather be out of a job than work for you for free.
If people go to the restaurant and don’t tip at some point the waiter can say to their boss that they either get a living wage or they can go to the restaurant thst doesn’t rely on tips (since from your comment they are so common).
They can. And then the boss goes to the stack of applications from other people who really don’t want to become homeless so they’ll take whatever job they can get, hires the first one to show up, and within an hour the cycle continues.
From my European POV don’t trick me with fake prices. If the item I’m buying is presented to me with the cost of X then that’s what you should expect and demand of me. Tipping is extra, voluntary and based on above average service.
And why then have I not heard one complaint about sales tax, which is also not included on the menu? Fuck the worker but I’ll pay his boss and the government? And how again is that helping the worker? Honestly if you want to pinch pennies fine but don’t pretend you’re doing anyone but yourself a favor.
Shit when I was there last time I got asked for a tip for asking for an item that was off the shelf. It wasn’t even cooked or prepared in any way and it wasn’t even supposed to be consumed in that café. I wasn’t going to pay 20% on an expensive bag of coffee just because some waiter fetched it literally from the shelf behind him. It’s insane
Fair enough, I wouldn’t have tipped then either, and it can be difficult to understand when it is necessary VS when some dumb tablet at a store asks but it isn’t (that is new since covid tbf).
Basically at any sit down restaurant with servers, or delivery drivers, or bartenders, you need to tip or they’re serving you for free while their exploiter gets paid. As for counter service like you mention, it’s basically only baristas (coffee servers), other counter service workers get paid and you can safely ignore the tablet. I gotta admit that part is probably the hardest part to figure out especially for someone not used to it.
Besides basically everything else runs off tips so it works. Or do you tip your landlord with the rent??
I’ll assume you mean “doesn’t run off tips” but that’s the thing, my landlord isn’t dependant on tips. My servers however are and I know this, so as the system stands today the only people hurt by the lack of tips are those who do indeed rely on them, not their boss, not their bosses landlord, just them. I guess if you want to hurt the poor servers then fine, but impo that’s a dick move. You have to change the system first though before you can stop tipping the workers, again unless you’re fine helping exploit them that is.
All restaurants in the US require tipping. You’ll have to boycott all of them, and that won’t send a message about tipping. You would need the majority of people to still go to restaurants and not tip to send the message and that’s never going to happen because people have been brainwashed to think their value as a human being requires generous tipping. Comments like “if you don’t tip you’re an asshole” means the system is working as intended and will never change.
Not true. There’s a restaraunt in my town (and not even a very large town!) that pays all staff the same (relatively decent) wage and splits any tips they do happen to get equally among all staff. Obviously people will still tip, because that’s the culture here, but if you didn’t tip it’s not like the staff won’t be paid at all.
Places like that are rare but they’re out there, and the principled thing to do would be to spend your money with establishments that are doing their best to be part of the solution.
I can’t speak for those emoloyees, but since it seems like the pay structure seems designed to make tipping optional, I assume they’re anti-mandatory-tipping there
Either you think the situation is okay or you don’t and shouldn’t enable it through your behavior. Simple as. That being said, I usually tip (and well) from shear pressure. I think the whole vibe is gross though.
But here’s the thing, it ain’t the owners’ problem either. They’re winning. The whole reason they do this is to externalize labor costs and do ad hoc market segmentation, except it’s based on customers kinda being dicks. When you don’t tip in the US, you have sided with the owners and have said to the server, “you are worth minimum wage.”
Agitate the rest of the day. Tip at mealtime.
Or, don’t eat places that don’t pay their workers
I mean, that’s a better choice than “fuck my waiter, specifically and today, while not affecting his bosses’ bottom line at all.”
Yep. Continuing to patronize that establishment, whether or not you tip, perpetuates tipping culture.
Yes. Those are your choices. Either
A) don’t eat places that don’t pay their workers
Or
B) Tip at the place you chose to go to that relies on tips.
It’s literally that simple.
Wrong
The owners are the bad actors here. They enjoy increased margins in an environment where additional salary top ups are somehow the customer’s problem.
Pay your waitstaff you cheap fucks
The owners are the bad actors but the only person getting screwed when you don’t tip is the server.
Don’t want to tip, don’t eat out. It’s pretty simple.
If the job didn’t come with the tip, they wouldn’t be able to hire. Not tipping is the actual solution.
No, not going is the solution. By patronizing a business that runs of tips, you are paying the business and perpetuating the system whether you tip or not, the only person you hurt by not tipping is the worker.
“Then they can find another job,” and you can find another restaurant, but you didn’t, you chose to go to the one that relies on tips and specifically chose fuck over the poor employee hoping to afford rent and food this month while paying the boss full price so he makes a profit, and telling the employee that you didn’t pay him because his boss is a dick (as if he didn’t fucking know that). Ok fine the worker moves to a warehouse gig, and the restaurant hires the application at the top of the stack and exploits them on your dollar until they too get fed up, rinse and repeat because someone always needs something quick to stave off homelessness and you can’t figure out how to heat up your own fucking chickey nuggies.
If people only went to restaurants that didn’t rely on tips in the US there would be no restaurants whatsoever and all workers would be out of a job.
If people go to the restaurant and don’t tip at some point the waiter can say to their boss that they either get a living wage or they can go to the restaurant thst doesn’t rely on tips (since from your comment they are so common).
From my European POV don’t trick me with fake prices. If the item I’m buying is presented to me with the cost of X then that’s what you should expect and demand of me. Tipping is extra, voluntary and based on above average service.
Shit when I was there last time I got asked for a tip for asking for an item that was off the shelf. It wasn’t even cooked or prepared in any way and it wasn’t even supposed to be consumed in that café. I wasn’t going to pay 20% on an expensive bag of coffee just because some waiter fetched it literally from the shelf behind him. It’s insane
Besides basically everything else runs off tips so it works. Or do you tip your landlord with the rent??
But you’re fine exploiting those workers who need that job and not tipping? Honestly fuck you for that. I’d rather be out of a job than work for you for free.
They can. And then the boss goes to the stack of applications from other people who really don’t want to become homeless so they’ll take whatever job they can get, hires the first one to show up, and within an hour the cycle continues.
And why then have I not heard one complaint about sales tax, which is also not included on the menu? Fuck the worker but I’ll pay his boss and the government? And how again is that helping the worker? Honestly if you want to pinch pennies fine but don’t pretend you’re doing anyone but yourself a favor.
Fair enough, I wouldn’t have tipped then either, and it can be difficult to understand when it is necessary VS when some dumb tablet at a store asks but it isn’t (that is new since covid tbf).
Basically at any sit down restaurant with servers, or delivery drivers, or bartenders, you need to tip or they’re serving you for free while their exploiter gets paid. As for counter service like you mention, it’s basically only baristas (coffee servers), other counter service workers get paid and you can safely ignore the tablet. I gotta admit that part is probably the hardest part to figure out especially for someone not used to it.
I’ll assume you mean “doesn’t run off tips” but that’s the thing, my landlord isn’t dependant on tips. My servers however are and I know this, so as the system stands today the only people hurt by the lack of tips are those who do indeed rely on them, not their boss, not their bosses landlord, just them. I guess if you want to hurt the poor servers then fine, but impo that’s a dick move. You have to change the system first though before you can stop tipping the workers, again unless you’re fine helping exploit them that is.
Boycotting the restaraunt is the actual solution.
Not tipping just makes you an asshole.
All restaurants in the US require tipping. You’ll have to boycott all of them, and that won’t send a message about tipping. You would need the majority of people to still go to restaurants and not tip to send the message and that’s never going to happen because people have been brainwashed to think their value as a human being requires generous tipping. Comments like “if you don’t tip you’re an asshole” means the system is working as intended and will never change.
Not true. There’s a restaraunt in my town (and not even a very large town!) that pays all staff the same (relatively decent) wage and splits any tips they do happen to get equally among all staff. Obviously people will still tip, because that’s the culture here, but if you didn’t tip it’s not like the staff won’t be paid at all.
Places like that are rare but they’re out there, and the principled thing to do would be to spend your money with establishments that are doing their best to be part of the solution.
But in those places you’d still be considered an asshole for not tipping, right?
I can’t speak for those emoloyees, but since it seems like the pay structure seems designed to make tipping optional, I assume they’re anti-mandatory-tipping there
Fuck those waiters I guess, right?
Either you think the situation is okay or you don’t and shouldn’t enable it through your behavior. Simple as. That being said, I usually tip (and well) from shear pressure. I think the whole vibe is gross though.
The situation sucks, but until there’s a mass movement to stop it, not tipping only hurts the people at the bottom.
If you don’t want to enable it the answer is to not eat out, not to screw over the waitstaff who are counting on it to make rent.