The Israeli government was not shown the memorandum of understanding drafted to end the war with Iran, an Israeli government official told NBC News on Wednesday, the latest sign of growing tension between the United States and Israel.
Shortly after Donald Trump said he had given a copy of the MOU to Israel, the same source said Israel still hadn’t seen the draft. The source wouldn’t comment on whether or not Israeli diplomats had asked for the text and were denied it.
The Israeli government’s absence in the negotiations leading up to the MOU has become a perilous hindrance for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who faces career-defining elections before the end of October. The deal framework was provided to NBC News by a senior U.S. official later on Wednesday.
“You don’t have to knock down an apartment house every time you’re looking for somebody"
Schools however are fair game apparently.
I mean fair, but Israel does it deliberately as a matter of policy, and this criticism would never be leveled by Schumer or Biden or most democrats despite all of them knowing it’s true.
The problem with manipulating a narcissist into supporting your war is that when it blows up the narcissist only really cared about himself and isn’t going to adhere to pre-existing norms like “never criticising Israeli military tactics”.
israel created the epstein files, they will certainly hold US and every politician, billionaire over it.
Something like the Epstein files only work, when you have a somewhat working democracy. Trump is already above the law and he can pardon everybody else. Also the trouble Trump can cause an American is way worse then the Epstein files.
I would sooner give Trump and co immunity after full honesty about all the heinous shit than watch him squirm and screw the world over again.
They said definitely use it
Don’t threaten me with a good time. Fucking do it already. Take them all out.
Don’t worry, Israel is going to bombard that treaty left and right.
Absolutely, the agreement they are planning to draft is supposed to include halting all military activities in Lebanon. Israel is never going to agree with that. On top of that Iran gets to keep their enriched uranium (although less highly enriched), which is what this whole war was about in the first place, especially for Israel.
which is what this whole war was about in the first place, especially for Israel.
It absolutely wasn’t. Satanyahu has been scaremongering about Iran being two weeks away from a nuke for over 40 years, this isn’t any Israel wants to destroy Iran.
With Syria, Iraq, and Libya dismantled, Iran is the only capable resistance to Israel’s expansionist goals. With collaborator authoritarian leaders in Jordan and Egypt, the only thing stopping Israel from taking them over is Iran. Without Iran and their support for Hezballah, Israel would have taken Lebanon over long ago.
You’re framing it as a defensive position, where Israel is afraid for its survival, whereas the truth is they are an expansionist ethno-religous supremacist state openly plotting to ethnically cleans the region to expand their living space.
It’s an interesting idea, but that doesn’t mean what I said is untrue. Keeping Iran away from developing nukes also strengthens Israel’s position in the Middle East. Of course they also wanted to diminish Iran’s support of Hezbollah and Hamas, but that doesn’t mean that was the sole reason.
You’re framing it as a defensive position, where Israel is afraid for its survival
No I’m not, that’s all in your own head…
However much shit Trump may talk about Netanyahu, I bet US weapons shipments to Israel go uninterrupted.
The MK-82s must flow.
Truly he is just on the side of whoever most recently played his ego most effectively 😅
Just give him a mental blowjob and he’ll give you anything you want I guess. Until someone else plays his ego, then he’ll give take it back and give it to them lol
growing tension between the United States and Israel.
Great. Let Israel handle their shitshow alone.
Even Israel must learn, Trump only cares about himself. Skyrocketing gas prices are bad for him in November.
Yeah but up until now it really feels like their relationship was more about them having some sort of dirt on Trump that kept him on a short leash. Wonder why he doesn’t care any that anymore
Over-confidence. He
thinksis being told that Israel doesn’t have the guts to actually release the files because they need America more than America needs them, or some shit like that. He’s being told that he’s too big to fail.He’s just juicing the markets. He still cares. He’ll TACO.
Imagine believing anything any of these fuckers are saying. They could tell me the sin rises in the east and sets in the west and I wouldn’t believe it.
“The sky is blue”
/me walks out to check if it’s indeed so.
Literally a random coin flip is more likely to yield a result that matches reality than whatever comes out of these people’s mouths.
this is all for show and I bet america is back to attacking iran with their friend israel after the midterms.
So: Iran keep insiting Lebanon is part of the deal. Israel keeps insisting it is not.
The question really is will a deal be signed, or will Israel refuse to withdraw from Lebanon and yet again Trumps promises are empty nonsense. The US lost this war, but can it reign in Israel to help it exit the war?
The elections in Israel are next October. If Netanyahu looses, he is going on trial for corruption. Also he needs the support of the far right to govern and they hate this deal. So he rather keeps the war going to then let the next prime minister deal with this.
Netanyahu goes back on trial for corruption and probably to prison if the war ends so, uhhh
What a shitshow. Is there any decade where a republican president didn’t drag the US into yet another senseless war?
Nothing to do with political party, apart for Jimmy Carter, every single US president did that.
How odd. To date, Trump had exhibited such forthrightness and transparency.
The Israeli government’s absence in the negotiations leading up to the MOU has become a perilous hindrance for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who faces career-defining elections before the end of October.
Trump’s facing elections three days after the end of October. They are probably going to do a lot to determine what the latter half of his term looks like.
He really fucked up backing trump over Kamala…
She’d have given him everything he wanted just like Biden did.
But Bibi’s far right supporters wanted trump, and he can barely hang onto power with them. Eventually Israel is going to have elections again, and the Israelis that support the genocides aren’t happy because there’s not enough genocide, and the ones against it aren’t happy there’s any genocide.
Bibi has never had a chance of re-election because of that, that’s why he’s cancelled ~5 elections in a row.
If trump pulls out and leaves Israel to fight alone, we’ll actually see change in Israels government
I’m 99.99% sure Kamala wouldn’t have helped to attack Iran, and that was what Israel wanted.
So the claim that she would have given everything is stupid. Trump gave Israel more than Kamala ever would.I know you say you’re sure, but that’s more of an assumption really.
We know from her own words that she wouldn’t do anything differently than Biden. Keeping in mind that Biden silenced and censored the USAID for calling out Israeli atrocities before Trump fully dismantled it.
And here is a report that says that Israel and the US did joint bombing drills to attack Iran under Biden (in the end, the decision by Trump to attack took only a week, there definitely were drills before that).
So there were plans to attack Iran. And we haven’t seen Kamala’s actual record on militarism, but she supported the US’s involvement in international security matters and constantly affirmed “Israel’s right to defend itself”. She never said “no” to war.
We can’t say that the US would have never attacked Iran under Kamala, but we can definitely say it wouldn’t be as big of a shit show and news spectacle as it is now.
Kamalas husband is a prominent zionist who was going to make his time as first lady all about aggressively going after antisemitism and promoting zionism. He said, in the UN no less, that “there should be consequences” for anyone speaking in antisemtic ways. He wanted to prosecute people for political speech he didnt like.
Yeah Miss “I’m speaking” is a real hero who did so much for basic human dignity. Loved how she shut everyone who spoke about gaza out of the Democratic party convention. Gaza was clearly on her mind in one form or another. But yeah she would have held the line at attacking Iran for Israel, uh huh.
Her husband and her brother in law literally ran her campaign. Its not like they were crazies off to the side. They told her what to say. This is who you have confidence in huh? this group of genocidal clowns?
Kamalas husband is a prominent zionist
I didn’t know this, but the husband was not the basis for my response, because he has no real political power.
There is little doubt that the Democrats would not allow a democratic president to behave as stupid as Trump, and made an enemy of almost the entire world.Actually, that changes everything. If her husband advised her to attack Iran, she’d do so.
She was a terrible candidate, regardless. If Democrats want to win elections, they have to have open and fair primaries, something that hasn’t happened since secretary Clinton’s primary.
If her husband advised her to attack Iran, she’d do so.
No that’s not how this works, Harris is not Trump. Harris would have a competent administration, and ALL the traditionally qualified general advisors would warn her about exactly what happened.
I’m not kidding you, I checked out of curiosity, and I’ve seen Youtubers warn about the exact scenario that occurred more than 3 years ago!!
When Trump claims nobody could have known, it’s decidedly laughable, because for everybody qualified with even superficial interest on the subject, it was common knowledge that Iran would close the Hormuz strait, and Iran is more difficult to win against than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. So a hurried half assed effort never stood a chance, and that was what Trump was sold on!!She was a terrible candidate, regardless.
Maybe but Trump was obviously way way worse. without comparison, because Trump is an obvious malignant narcissist, and that will always end worse than when he started. There is simply no way such a person can lead a country to progress.
And now he has destroyed the American empire with certainty, it is only downhill from here for USA because of Trump, and because of the fact that the American population elected him.
Trump gave Israel more than Kamala ever would.
and luckily (or predictably?) it’s blowing up in his face
Absolutely, and equally lucky is that it’s blowing up in Netanyahu’s face too.
First, I really wish I could put that many 9s on it. I agree with you, but it would be nice if Democrats ran as directly on “no more wars” as Trump did. I definitely wouldn’t rule out Harris allowing Israel to attack Iran, but just being more discrete and framing it as “Israel’s war” instead of ours.
Second, folks should be wary: one of the things that makes Netanyahu so dangerous is that he’s genuinely a mastermind at planning AND pivoting: he’ll game out multiple sides of things, and when people say he’s cooked or is finally out of options he’ll pull out a move he had ready.
My point is that he’s never taken by surprise, and he’s the undisputed master of pulling a rabbit out of his hat when everyone thinks they’ve got him cornered.
Do not underestimate his ability to win reelection or retain his power even if he loses.
He’s not some impossible genius.
Recall that the entire October 7th attack in 2023 happened at all because Bibi moved the soldiers out of posts to prevent attacks exactly like that to posts near the judges that were overseeing his criminal trials in order to intimidate them.
Do you genuinely think he didn’t want Oct 7 to happen?
I hope he didn’t. That he was so focused on his own skin that he didn’t look at other things.
Or at least he didn’t care if there was an attack.
Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but (based on Israel’s actions afterward) it seems to me like they must’ve been happy to have a casus bellum as an excuse to annex Gaza and now Lebanon.
I don’t think he expected or planned it, but this massive security failure does demonstrate my point.
After the attacks, it was uniformly agreed that he was now politically dead. There was no coming back from a fuck up that massive.
Yet here he stands. He turned Oct. 7 from the biggest political liability imaginable into a tremendous opportunity.
Never assume he’s finished.
That or he let Hamas attack. They knew about the plans more than a year before it happened.
I definitely wouldn’t rule out Harris allowing Israel to attack Iran
That is not the point you made, Trump helped attack Iran, and has spend way way more resources attacking Iran and protecting Israel than Israel themselves have. Kamala Harris would guaranteed not have followed Israel into a war against Iran.
he’s genuinely a mastermind at planning AND pivoting:
No he is not, what he is is a psychopath with no morals, he is just as much like Hitler as Trump is, and Kamala Harris is definitely not like Hitler.
My point is that he’s never taken by surprise,
That’s a pretty stupid statement given the current circumstances are directly contrary to what he planned.
I mean there’s a good chance she would’ve too, Democrat politicians have been been hammering about Iran and bowing to Israel for yesrs.
But either way Israel got what it asked for, and in the end it’s a pile of steaming dog shit
I mean there’s a good chance she would’ve too
How do you arrive at this conclusion? The Trump administration acted 100% alone, with a completely stacked deck of people who were selected exactly to support Trump in whatever insanity he wanted. Pete Hegseth is a Nazi that would love to nuke Iran, and he is in the position that should be first to warn Trump!! There is no way Harris would have a similar unqualified idiot secretary of defense.
And as soon as the attack happened there was a storm of opposition against it! There has never been such immediate opposition to a military operation in USA! And there has never been such a consistent opposition to a military operation as the attack on Iran.
I understand the logic, but I think Trump and Biden had entirely different reasons for their support with only donors being in the center of their venn diagram. Biden was a zionist through and through. He believed Israel was aligned with our interests in the middle east and if anything changed it would have been sold as Bibi being the issue, as liberals are pretending right now that Ben Gavir and other hardliners don’t exist. I think Trump cannot even say that much because they have evidence on his crimes against children. It’s long been obvious that Trump was compromised by Israel, but the media largely only reported his conflicts of interest with Russia. The intelligence agencies believed Israel was the largest concern when it came to Trump. Trump while he doesn’t seem opposed to zionism, he would only ever see it as a positive since it runs cover for the type of society he would like to have and gives him lessons on what steps to achieve that. Especially now that Viktor Orban has been kicked out of power.
Trump while he doesn’t seem opposed to zionism, he would only ever see it as a positive since it runs cover for the type of society he would like to have and gives him lessons on what steps to achieve that.
Trump’s primary reason for supporting Israel is to prop up his support among Christian Zionists, who believe Israel needs to exist in order to facilitate their messiah’s return.
Support for what reason? He doesn’t care about his already trash reputation. He doesn’t act in any way like a populist any more, even to evangelicals. Are we just going to pretend this isn’t obvious?
Biden was a zionist through and through.
That’s my point…
Biden was very open about the reason he’d give Israel anything, was a conversation he had with his dad as a very small child which boiled down to: the Jewish people have been treated even worse than Catholics, no matter what happens you have to always support Israel because they’ll come for Catholics next.
Regardless of anything else, Biden will always be 100% loyal to Israel because of that
trump doesn’t give a fuck about Israel if the arrangement is no longer profitable to him personally, he’s out.
So Israel was better off with Biden/Kamala, because Kamala would be 100% loyal to Israel for just the money. But we will never have a more Israel aligned president than Biden, and Bibi is a fucking idiot for not doing all he could to get Biden a second term because of that
trump doesn’t give a fuck about Israel if the arrangement is no longer profitable to him personally, he’s out.
So Israel was better off with Biden/Kamala, because Kamala would be 100% loyal to Israel for just the money. But we will never have a more Israel aligned president than Biden, and Bibi is a fucking idiot for not doing all he could to get Biden a second term because of that
I think the crux of my message was that while both of them are attached to Israel, one of them is due to their own beliefs and the other is due to pressure. If it was his voters exerting that pressure keeping us in I could not see that even mattering right now. His approval is dogshit and the war only hurts it more. I think it would be naive to ignore how many times Trump has been cucked by Israel where he basically has only also done so by China. In other words, he only allows this if there’s no choice. What about Israel’s war presents no choice for the US? I think it’s far more personal why there’s no choice, and the evidence suggests compromise.
Let’s be honest here the only reason he stopped was because of the PR. The rhetoric and statements they have made they were more than willing to do this because they hate people unlike them. They were only tricked in the way that the threat was overblown by Israel. The rest was on them.
Yep…
That was the entire point of my comment.
trump isn’t loyal to anyone over himself. Biden would (and did) but Israel over not just America but his own career. Israel literally can’t buy that loyalty from any other politician.
If you try to buy trump off, it’s like the unhoused people in South Park, as soon as you hand him money he pretends it never happened and asks again.
If trump pulls out and leaves Israel to fight alone, we’ll actually see change in Israels government
Be aware that the change will likely be going from an old genocidal facist to a younger more-genocidal facist.
If we had a comoetent administration we’d know what we do when Israel deploys a nuclear weapon and Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Qatar, and Lebanon all either produce their own or delcaring deploying one locally the deciding factor of their allyship.
As it is, I think the effective plan is “fumble and cave” as Russia and China snap up every proxy they can.
