Let’s just declare victory after losing!
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The sooner they stop fake negotiations and leave, the better for the world. Reopening straights is extremely easy for peaceful nations. Cheaper than insurance. Cheaper than not getting/selling oil and other goods.
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The guy throwing military parades for himself capitulates and leaves Europe to clean up the mess. Much Wow
The MAGA US needs to lose this one.
Done and done. This was admitting defeat.
What does that even mean? The world economy, you and me and other innocent people, wants and needs the strait to be open.
i don’t want or need the strait open. i need trump in jail (or a coffin).
You don’t need to eat food which needs fertilizer? Or you don’t care if your food costs more, because the fertilizer transit had to pay Iran a toll?
And even if you don’t personally care about yourself, you don’t care about the poor indian worker, who pay a significant part of his income for food?
i care about the poor indian worker. i didn’t start a was that would INEVITABLY cause an oil crisis. if trump gets away with iran, he will fucking do this again and again and again. the poor indian worker will be hurt by trump’s greed and stupidity this war, and the next war, and the next war. that, or we do something about trump. when trump’s a corpse and his admin is in jail, the strait will open the same day
If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don’t think you can say you “won”.
Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.
I’m starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don’t really think.
you can say you “won”.
He didn’t say it, he declared it!
We did it!
Let’s celebrate at Epstein’s… Oh wait
This “Trump” fellow may not be the genius he purports to be
Watch the markets.
Cool we’ve entered the, “I don’t want it anyway” phase of this bullshit. not sure where this places us in the timeline, but we all know the last step is hyping the massive victory of fixing the problem created by the administration.
The Narcissist’s Prayer:
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal. <-- We are here
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.We’ll move on to the next step once he figures out who to pin the blame on for this. I am guessing he can’t throw Vance under the bus for it since he’s probably on record for saying it was a bad idea. Miller or Hegseth maybe?
I also don’t see a drawdown happening any time soon, but the market manipulation will continue to work for as long as wall street is willing to kick the football. Not that I care what happens to the fat cats, but my 401k portfolio is not looking great right now either.
I am guessing he can’t throw Vance under the bus for it since he’s probably on record for saying it was a bad idea. Miller or Hegseth maybe?
As far as I can tell, Trump’s mental decline is so advanced that he can no longer create coherent lies. Some of the messaging around the Iran was has been mindbogglingly and transparently stupid.
So I don’t think Trump will be limited by small details like blaming someone who is “on record for saying it was a bad idea”.
Can they declare him not mentally competent or something and then this emo douche with eyeliner can try to fix this together with the alcoholic?
Jus an idea…
The problem is that Trump’s supporters are literally a cult. The GOP are the ones with the power to unseat Trump, and the GOP know that their voters will tear them apart if they unseat Trump. Hence this continuing clown show of least resistence by the GOP.
An alternative is Trump stepping down voluntarily. But in best narcissist style, Trump believes he is the best man for the job, any job. “Only I can fix it”. And the pathological lack of self insight only gets worse as Trump mentally declines.
He is going to 180 on this later today or tomorrow. He may have thought he’d get an easy win and leave like in Argentina. Now that it’s clear that won’t happen, he thinks he can declare that he doesn’t need a deal after all and leave.
This is not a real estate deal and he can’t just leave. There are too many powerful people in the world who will find this outcome unacceptable. He is stuck and we are stuck there with him.
If he doesn’t open it within a couple of months at most, the bulk of oil is going to start being traded in yuan (it’s already starting to happen) the gulf states are going to start liquidating their U.S. debt and the investments they’ve made across the global economy. The problem could spiral out of control really fast. The guy’s a total idiot, but I assume they’ve explained it to him with little cartoons or something and he’s finally understood that this time he can’t just walk away and claim he won
You seem to expect that those around him understand the situation any better. This term, he purged anybody who knows shit about anything. Hell, he put a fucking Fox News host in charge of the military.
This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.
Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You’re so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we’re a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.
Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.
It was a hard job to top all the pointless republican war blunders of the past, but the orange clown managed to achieve this historical feat. Well done
I think the death count for the second Iraq war is higher, not to mention being responsible for creating ISIS.
Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it’s already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.
The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?
China’s Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True
The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
I actually went back and watched the original video, and it’s spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.Quick note, petroleum sanctions on Iran from the US are not lifted - the only thing permitted is to buy the barrels now at sea, i.e., from the dark fleet. Same deal with Russia.
OK that is probably true, it rings a bell.
But it still sounds a bit like a partial lift of sanctions, which for Iran is still better than before the war.
On a side note, it is not impossible that it will be extended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Asian countries begin to pick up oil directly from Iran, and ignore USA. USA has created an impossible situation for many countries, there are already rations in some countries.
Will USA then threaten those countries? Thailand, Philippines, Japan, China.I think internationally Iran is in a better position now than before the war.
The fat old orange child molester will absolutely guarantee Iran has the bomb. Look ant North Korea. The US bombed it into oblivion and they took action so it would never happen again.
Allegedly the previous Ayatollah the USA killed was actually against Iran having nuclear weapons, as he considered it against the morals of Islam.
But I guess the next Ayatollah, will find a way to get around that.
And EU will be stronger than ever.
I doubt it. The EU faces the same fundamental problem as the US: Powerful, greedy and unresponsive elites unwilling to compromise with their subjects. I think we’re more likely to see an overall weaker and somehow even more dysfunctional EU with Ukraine as a counterbalance to its traditional Western and Northern European power base (assuming the EU doesn’t drop the ball on Ukrainian recovery like it repeatedly did on the war).
I disagree with everything you write.
We may also have a greedy elite, but the scale of the problem is way less than what it is in USA. They are both not as rich, and their power is way better regulated, for instance we don’t have the moronic super packs. With Russia collapsing and losing the war to Ukraine, EU countries that are acting in the interest of Russia, will be way less of a problem, and the traditional values of Democracy in EU will be reestablished.
I absolutely see Ukraine as less of a problem in EU than UK used to be. EU may need to be reformed to manage the big number of member states better. But EU has proven able to act when necessary during the Ukraine war. This is the opposite of dysfunctional despite countries like Hungary and Slovakia that are serving Russian interests.
Also around the world the respect for EU is increasing, and acknowledgement of how EU works for international law, is recognized as being different from USA, where previously we were seen as an American puppet, EU is making itself more independent of USA, and we are distancing ourselves from USA way more than at any point since WW2.This will pave the way for way bigger international recognition and cooperation, and make EU stronger both internally and in outside relations. EU is built on cooperation that benefit us all, this is both among the member countries, and with EU allies and trading partners.
I’m not saying we will surpass China, but we can work with China on a reasonably level playing field, and the same with USA, where USA used to dominate, that domination will soon be over if it isn’t already.
The US was the laughing stock of the world long before this “war”.
Trump and Netanyahu have interests in the Middle East, so he thinks that if he wins the war, they will be able to colonize Iran.
“Cultivating strategic depth for Israeli regional hegemony” is what they’ll call the invading and colonizing.
I mean, technically, if you just stop attacking the country you started a war with, that might well end the war.
The other side also gets to vote for when the war is over.
As the wars in Ukraine and Iran have shown, its impossible to stop 100% of drone attacks and drone manufacturing.
Cargo ship insurance companies will have a vote too regarding when the Strait of Hormuz is “open”.
Safer to just to obliterate the whole country then I guess.
Certainly could do without the USA
“The full reopening of the Strait is something the Administration is working towards, but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said.
No the fuck they haven’t. He doesn’t even know himself other than whatever Israel said to do, otherwise they’ll release the videos of him raping children.
You know, I’m not even sure I’ve heard a straight line about what exactly they’re trying to do and what precipitated starting the war.
There’s been talk about wanting regime change and halting the Iranian nuclear program. But both of those things have been around for what, like 20 years? And the nuclear deal was being worked out over a decade age before trump threw a fit and ripped it up.
Most wars have a very clear “they did this to us so we have to do this to them in order to secure… blah blah blah.” But with Iran we didn’t really get that. I just woke up one day and the headlines were “surprise, he started another war in the Middle East, checkout this new TikTok trend”
At least bush had the intelligence to lie about WMDs. Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.
Sure they have - Baby gets what Baby wants. If baby wants the objectives of a war to be Iran sends him a cool fire truck to play with, that’s how he defines “winning” the war that day.
In this case it’s more “What Bibi wants, Bibi gets.”
Maybe he needs a 2nd gold-plated jumbo jet?
