Let’s just declare victory after losing!

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
    But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.

    Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
    These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
    When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
    As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.

    USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it’s already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.

    The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
    Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
    A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.

    Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?

    China’s Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/who-is-jiang-xueqin-professor-behind-viral-trump-iran-prediction-11170722

    The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
    I actually went back and watched the original video, and it’s spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.

    • RecursiveParadox@piefed.social
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      8 hours ago

      Quick note, petroleum sanctions on Iran from the US are not lifted - the only thing permitted is to buy the barrels now at sea, i.e., from the dark fleet. Same deal with Russia.

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        8 hours ago

        OK that is probably true, it rings a bell.

        But it still sounds a bit like a partial lift of sanctions, which for Iran is still better than before the war.

        On a side note, it is not impossible that it will be extended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Asian countries begin to pick up oil directly from Iran, and ignore USA. USA has created an impossible situation for many countries, there are already rations in some countries.
        Will USA then threaten those countries? Thailand, Philippines, Japan, China.

        I think internationally Iran is in a better position now than before the war.

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      9 hours ago

      The fat old orange child molester will absolutely guarantee Iran has the bomb. Look ant North Korea. The US bombed it into oblivion and they took action so it would never happen again.

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        9 hours ago

        Allegedly the previous Ayatollah the USA killed was actually against Iran having nuclear weapons, as he considered it against the morals of Islam.
        But I guess the next Ayatollah, will find a way to get around that.

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      6 hours ago

      as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.

      Despite mysterious (USA help for EU energy destruction gains) Ukrainian successes on Russian energy infrastructure these past weeks, Russia has surpassed Germany and Japan to be the 4th largest economy during the war. Massive military production rates, full employment, national unity, and high wage growth due to soldier deployment bonuses competing with rest of economy.

      Russia has gotten stronger during war of attrition, outproducing entire west. If you want to weaken Russia, accept its peace, and propagandize its difficulty in economic transition. Russia would agree to reduce military production rates. World has far more important concerns than repeating Napoleon/Hitler defeats. Peace terms have always been extremely reasonable, with 8 year patience by Russia. Ukraine has lost the right to control Crimea and Donbas, and it is absurd to support its desires for NATO membership and nazification protections. EU must remove their CIA puppet rulers/media, or at least cut ties with CIA/Atlanticist handlers.

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        4 hours ago

        Russia has surpassed Germany and Japan to be the 4th largest economy during the war.

        🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
        You are seriously deluded. That’s by the heavily manipulated official numbers, and only by PPP, in international value they are only 9 despite their manipulated numbers.
        This is also based on the current value of the Ruble, which is highly inflated because Russia has limited all imports and basically everything that requires money go out of Russia.
        The truth is the country is in heavy deficits and have a very hard time financing it, because trust in the Russian economy is near zero. Both the federal government and several states are near bankrupt.

        That the Russian economy should be bigger than Japan, Germany, UK and France is ridiculous. Russia is at best 11 in the world even by PPP. Ukraine is 45 with an open way more realistic economy with $730,758 million (IMF 2026 est) Russia state $7,340,795 million. How would it be possible for Russia to lose if they have a 10 times bigger economy and 4 times the population? The truth is that they obviously do not have the economy they claim.

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          How would it be possible for Russia to lose if they have a 10 times bigger economy and 4 times the population? The truth is that they obviously do not have the economy they claim.

          Russia is winning. More territory every week. The strategic patience, with EU and US occupying bases inside it, of Putin is a disappointment, as it is political capital related, but the political theater of this war, Putin accepts patiently, has predetermined plot ending of Russian demands. This was always a weapons grifting war, with, what should have been understood as, a laughable propaganda campaign against Europeans.

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            Russia is winning. More territory every week.

            No they are not, last month they lost more territory than they won, and Ukraine has completely thwarted the Russian spring offensive.

            with EU and US occupying bases inside it

            Neither EU or USA have any bases in Ukraine. Actually EU now has military personnel in Ukraine to be educated by the Ukrainians in drone strategies. Even if we had bases in Ukraine it would not be an occupation.

            Putin accepts patiently, has predetermined plot

            Like winning in three weeks?
            Very convincing mr mc clown face. 🤡 🤡 🤡

            The rest doesn’t make any sense, even with my abilities understanding 5 languages that enable me to understand most foreigners trying to speak English, IDK if you are Russian and very bad at English?

            But very clearly you are seriously misinformed. And it’s laughable how you just carry on with new false points after your previous points are shown to be false.

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                3 hours ago

                How is that in any way relevant, since those bases aren’t used against Russia?
                And no USA is not occupying bases in Europe, they have bases in Europe because Europe allows it.

      • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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        5 hours ago

        Russian cocksucker, go fuck yourself.

        I do not say that lightly.

        Russian peace? After invading the sovereign country of Ukraine that it agreed not to invade? Targeting civilians and murdering them in cold blood? Peace terms reasonable?[1]

        The only absurd thing is listening to your fascist pro-terrorism bullshit.

        And the rest of your pro-Russia cocksucking is technically partly true, but you really have to fucking cherrypick those statements and word them EXTREMELY carefully. For one example: 4th largest GDP if you consider internal buying power, not if you consider international buying power where they remain out of the top ten.

        Russia are fucking losers and terrorists.


        1. Tip: Russia needs to get the FUCK out of Ukraine. Period. Full stop. ↩︎

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      11 hours ago

      And EU will be stronger than ever.

      I doubt it. The EU faces the same fundamental problem as the US: Powerful, greedy and unresponsive elites unwilling to compromise with their subjects. I think we’re more likely to see an overall weaker and somehow even more dysfunctional EU with Ukraine as a counterbalance to its traditional Western and Northern European power base (assuming the EU doesn’t drop the ball on Ukrainian recovery like it repeatedly did on the war).

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        10 hours ago

        I disagree with everything you write.
        We may also have a greedy elite, but the scale of the problem is way less than what it is in USA. They are both not as rich, and their power is way better regulated, for instance we don’t have the moronic super packs. With Russia collapsing and losing the war to Ukraine, EU countries that are acting in the interest of Russia, will be way less of a problem, and the traditional values of Democracy in EU will be reestablished.
        I absolutely see Ukraine as less of a problem in EU than UK used to be. EU may need to be reformed to manage the big number of member states better. But EU has proven able to act when necessary during the Ukraine war. This is the opposite of dysfunctional despite countries like Hungary and Slovakia that are serving Russian interests.
        Also around the world the respect for EU is increasing, and acknowledgement of how EU works for international law, is recognized as being different from USA, where previously we were seen as an American puppet, EU is making itself more independent of USA, and we are distancing ourselves from USA way more than at any point since WW2.

        This will pave the way for way bigger international recognition and cooperation, and make EU stronger both internally and in outside relations. EU is built on cooperation that benefit us all, this is both among the member countries, and with EU allies and trading partners.

        I’m not saying we will surpass China, but we can work with China on a reasonably level playing field, and the same with USA, where USA used to dominate, that domination will soon be over if it isn’t already.