Thank you everyone, this was just a Devil’s advocate. The Kraken released a tentacle, it will now retract. With everything going on, it’s good to drop a stone in the pond every now and then. Love you all! 🤍


I do however, believe that his ethics are flexible, as long as it contributes to his main goal: Going to Mars. 

Do not see him as the Satan, nor God. He's a werewolf, shapeshifter. He'll turn into whatever person he needs to be in order to reach his goal.

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  • EightBitBlood@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    Going to Mars.

    If that’s his goal, he’s awful at optimizing it for success. Going to mars is at minimum, a 3 step process:

    1. Getting to Mars
    2. Making Mars Survivable
    3. Building Mars Infrastructure

    Musk is focusing on step one. Which is sure as shit profitable. Especially with all those Trump favors like defunding NASA so they wouldn’t compete with Musk.

    Which is just so obviously short sighted. NASA funding would do nothing but benefit getting to Mars in the long run, especially with a shared pursuit of scientific discovery and cooperation. Instead Musk and Doge meddled their budget.

    That’s profit over goals.

    Even worse, with climate change likely decimating all forms of capitalism in the next 30 years, focusing on profit over basic sustainability is going to lead to a guaranteed failure of any money based pursuit. It’s short sighted at best, and incredibly, righteously stupid at worst - because just prioritizing step 2 would likely solve climate change with it.

    Getting to Mars requires making Mars habitable, so Musk should be prioritizing making Earth habitable if his goal is Mars. Otherwise, his gaze just exceeds his abilities, as it almost always has cough cybertruck cough Twitter being profitable cough

    If Musk took 10% of his worth and dedicated it to terraforming Mars, therefore saving earth, he would be worshipped as a literal god having used his power for the better of the world instead of just his bank account.

    Any extremely twisted desire for attention and God like admiration would be immediately filled, permanantly, for the rest of his days if he succeeded in beating climate change in wanting to Terraform Mars.

    Instead he’s making money, and being sad when people don’t like him.

    Humans love movies about those with great power having great responsibility.

    Musk lacks any of that responsibility despite having that power and even comparing himself to those heros. He asks for their respect, while acting with none of their responsibility.

    Tony Stark built suits to stop invading aliens. Musk is just building bunkers for him and his friends, and is defunding NASA to steal their contracts for satellites and launches for the money to do it.

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    The thing is that if you’re acting exactly like a Nazi while in a position of massive power it doesn’t really matter whether or not in your heart of hearts it’s part of a 5 dimensional chess game to get humans on Mars. Also, I don’t think rampaging through the civil service with a chainsaw is going to get us to Mars.

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      This.

      I don’t think that faking to be a Nazi and risking to plundge the world into chaos and terror for personal gain is any better than actually being a Nazi.

      It might even be worse, tbh, because an actual Nazi at least thinks that following their evil twisted ideology is doing good some how. A fake Nazi totally knows that what they are doing is evil but accepts the damage they knowingly do for personal gain.

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    “He’s not that bad, he’s only actively choosing to be a nazi in order to reach his own selfish goals”

    I would argue this would make him worse than he seems.

    Musk isn’t taking you to mars with him, no matter how much you try to fellate his ego.

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    Reality is not a stage. Real world actions have real consequences.

    Even if it is a character, he thinks playing it out in real life is an acceptable thing to do and does it. If you express facism you are a fascist. Same bad.

    A narrow focus on mars at all cost says much more about the other parts of his narcissism and general intelligence.

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      I agree. Thing is, I think they don’t. People like Elon see it all as a sort of game, a simulation, a thing to ‘win’. It’s a form of psychosis/dissociation I think.

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      That description has gotten a really negative connotation because of how abused it is. I guess the description does match, yes.

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      I don’t think that’s fair to say, there’s certainly degrees to ethics, everything is gray.

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        If you can throw out “your” “ethics”, your deeply-held beliefs about how the world works and should be and what is good and what isn’t, just like that, and switch to whatever is beneficial to you right now, they’re not “ethics”, they’re decoration.

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    He’s a low IQ silver spoon narcissistic pedo piece of subhuman garbage. He’s always been that. He will always be that.

    Your attempt at apologetics on his behalf makes you pretty fuckin questionable too.

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    sounds a lot like “the ends justify the means” and considering his nazi salute I think he still very much ‘as bad as he seems’ if not worse considering his power and influence

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    If he was playing a character on TV, then sure. If he’s playing a character in real life, where everything he says and does have consequences for other people, no. He has to take responsibility for his character’s actions.