cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/70573832
Move to Graphene, Calyx, Sailfish, Lineage, Postmarket OS, Ubuntu Touch before the Google prison door shuts.
It would be cool to make a petition to the PR folks at Revolut or some other big international banking entity and petition for another attestation option.
Isn’t it already restricted in those four countries? We need to pushback harder so the restrictions apply not to four countries, but rather to zero.
Just got a Fairphone 6 with CalyxOS.
Bank app works (in seperate user profile, fucking scanning bullshit) and the other verification apps seem to be working like steam too (even though they say on their site that steam does not work).
The vast majority if my apps are FDroid anyway
Bank app works
The real problem here is that there is no guarantee that will remain so.
I got a FF4 earlier this year and put Calyx on it too, its great. I have a browser and a few things from fdroid or termux. Plus I won’t install any restaurant apps, its great!
I’ll be getting an e/OS phone very soon and all the phones in my houses will follow as soon as possible.
Which 4 countries?
It’s not called “sideloading”, by the way, it’s called installing software on your own computer.
Indonesia, Brazil, Thailand and Singapore.
But sideloading makes it sound so ominous and even dangerous.
If you listen very carefully, you might hear me sighing deeply at the level of stupidity we all have to live in.
I think the problem is that even when people agree with you there is no specific term for installing apps in the way that will be limited other than the term “sideloading”
So its kinda hard to communicate clearly without using it. But the plays into googles dichotomy between installing the way they want and installing the way they don’t
“Google will restrict installing apps from 2027”
Sounds clear and to the point to me.
And is completely correct. They are heavily restricting installation of software to only software they approve of through package managers they approve of.
We should start calling installing an App from the PlayStore “Google-Loading” lmao
Spyloading
Google’s enshittification continues
People are gonna ignore this, then complain that “no one warned them about this” or “why didn’t you try harder warning us”
What percentage of Android users sideload? I would think an enthusiastic minority who are well aware of the deadline.
Stop using the term “sideloading”, as if it was something bad.
It’s just installing apps. Google will restrict installing apps and force users to only install the apps that they want you to install.
That is the same line of argument as “I have nothing to hide, of course you can surveil me 24/7”.
You never have, until you have, when things change against your way.
Besides this was the ONLY benefit of going google so far, having “freedom”. And now they strip it away, step by step. 10yrs from now it’s buying apple or this-other-slightly-cheaper-apple.
I’m not saying that sideloading isn’t important (sent from LineageOS).
I’m just saying that the population of people who currently sideload and don’t know about the deadline must be small.
If you’re arguing that the population who will want to sideload will grow after the deadline to encompass a large plurality, that’s another topic.
The pessimist in me doesn’t see it happening given how many kids don’t even know what a file browser does.
One can hope though.
population of people who currently sideload and don’t know about the deadline must be small
Oh yes totally. Misunderstood you there. This number is probably extremely small indeed.
If you’re arguing that the population who will want to sideload will grow after the deadline to encompass a large plurality
Sadly no. I’m with you there. Won’t happen. And I’m also sure, that google’s warn-notices will make sure to make it sound horribly bad like “You cannot install this app because it is not secure, the risk to your device is immeasurable, it might even shrink your penis!”. Pessimism? Nah, would say realism. That’s what always happen. Grab enough people with being open and great and cheap and caring, and when you secured a sizable portion of the market, cut the liberal shit out and control the thing to death. Normal enshittification of everything :-(
Hope yes, that’s what rather puts us into the optimism-spectrum…But what do they say? An optimist is just someone who has not enough data :-)
an enthusiastic minority who are well aware of the deadline.
That is not accurate at all, not enough people use custom roms.
minority
If only I had the luxury of owning a phone that was compatible with any of the alternative OSs.
If people stopped buying iPhones🇺🇸🤡 that would help.
Now is this the time for Jolla and PostmarketOS.
This was before the rebrand
Pedantic lemming lol
I wasn’t trying to be pedantic, just trying to spread the word.
Thank you for that.
My Jolla will be shipped soon! Batch 1 and 2 have already gone out. I think they started on the September one.
Or whatever the fuck else beside crapple and (soon) the other crapple. I hope there more than dozens of us…
Been running Lineage OS for a few years on older pixel phones but decided to grab a Pixel Fold off of eBay and going to load Graphene onto it.
I’m still not comfortable degoogling my software by googling my hardware.
What about calyx or something else on a fairphone?
Same. I’m on a pixel phone with grapheneos. I like it a lot, but i really don’t like the fact that it runs on google hardware. I’m side eying the bew Motorola lineup, but i don’t want to spend over 1k on a phone.
Yea, unfortunately all of every system requires some level of trust and I’m giving a big boy like Google a lot of trust their hardware is secure. But let’s say Google is clean, their schematics and chipsets are all vetted and stuff. There’s an additional layer at the fabrication of the hardware. Do you trust the Chinese hardware makers? If not then basically all devices are compromised. Need to trust the driver vendors, need to trust your ISP, need to trust your Os vendor, so on ad infinitum.
I’m also trusting the Graphene OS devs that they’ve done their due dilligence and ensure their hardened product is up to their marketing specs. I don’t think I possess any such knowledge to know 99% of this. I could take wireshark and profile its baseline data and make some assumptions, but what if all telemetry is just stored somewhere local and like on the leap year, the code fires it all off to homebase? I’m not likely scanning and analyzing 100% of the time so like it takes trust.
It’s coming to its first non-google hardware Soon™
Weird not a fairphone.
For those with apps already installed, will the apps just stop working? Or will they be uninstalled?
according to Google, you can enable an “advanced mode” that lets you keep using other software: https://piefed.world/post/1386916#comment_6826604
(not sure what will happen in that 24 hours waiting period)
I keep trying to do this but keep forgetting after the 24hr I need to go back and verify. Somewhere along the lines it kills it and I have to start a new 24hr wait time
Update: It worked for me! It said something like “waiting period completed” and let me proceed.
The system is working as intended.
Yeah i swear to god, all tgey do is relying on the fact that people are too lazy or lose patience. And i think it’ll pay off for them.
I tried it just now, will see if it works 👀
