Tipping does not lead to better service. Arguably worse, They want you out asap to get the next tipper in the seat.
Also, can’t see why someone should pay a waiter more for bringing 5 steaks an 5 champagnes instead of 5 burgers and 5 soda’s. Kind of the same job and effort.
I remember when I spent time in the US, tipping was the absolute worst part of the experience.
If I was with a big group going to a restaurant we would have a server constantly checking in with us, chatting and telling stories, getting us deals and freebies. When I would go out alone I would get ignored. If I dressed down I would be treated worse than if I was dressed up. One time I even waited an hour for a table before walking out as larger groups got seated ahead of me. How people are treated is based on how much money they think you’ll hand over.
And then there’s also the fact that people that work less busy times or times where the people visiting the restaurant are less wealthy earn less per hour than their counter parts
Or how men or people of colour also earn less in tips.
Or how many times they aren’t even shared with back of the house staff.
You people are so obsessed with attention and false happiness. The server doesn’t care about you they have to beg and grind to get to minimum wage. It’s one step above indentured servitude.
I definitely think we should pay a living wage to everyone and I’m working to pass that in my city & county, but that’s doesn’t mean I’m in denial about the faux friendliness that results from tipping culture or that the staff are more attentive (it’s much less common for staff to ask if you want more drinks without you having to get their attention in countries without tips than those with)
In the US I hated how the waiters were always bothering me with fake smiles “everything ok sir? do you need something?” while I’ve got my mouth full of food and no interest in conversation. I’ll call if I need something, thank you.
I like living in a society of peers, I don’t need to feel “served”.
You’re showing your usian bias, of course its less likely that a server elsewhere in the world is going to interrupt your meal. That doesn’t mean they won’t be available when you need them. The rest of the world doesn’t expect or what someone interrupting their experience every 5 minutes, but we know we can signal them when we need something.
It sounds like you want to improve the working day for your own people, but you need to recognise that what you are aiming for is already well below the standard.
Maybe better is not the right term but tipping definitely results in politer and usually faster service, there is no point in pretending it doesn’t have an impact.
And I’m against tipping culture, I’m just not in denial that it has an impact.
Do you tip before you get your meal? If not then they are just working to get you through faster, because a standard 15% every 30 min is better than hoping for 20% for a longer customer.
There are plenty of ways to get faster table turn that don’t involve rushing your customers, like making sure the food is prepared quickly and accurately, or taking payment earlier so that customers can leave whenever they would like.
Obviously, yes, more tips makes more money than less-but-slightly higher tips, but a good server will manage to achieve both high quality and efficient service.
But yeah, everyone needs to make a livable wage, and tipping culture only helps the owning class.
Tipping does not lead to better service. Arguably worse, They want you out asap to get the next tipper in the seat.
Also, can’t see why someone should pay a waiter more for bringing 5 steaks an 5 champagnes instead of 5 burgers and 5 soda’s. Kind of the same job and effort.
I remember when I spent time in the US, tipping was the absolute worst part of the experience.
If I was with a big group going to a restaurant we would have a server constantly checking in with us, chatting and telling stories, getting us deals and freebies. When I would go out alone I would get ignored. If I dressed down I would be treated worse than if I was dressed up. One time I even waited an hour for a table before walking out as larger groups got seated ahead of me. How people are treated is based on how much money they think you’ll hand over.
Everything about tipping is greed and it’s gross.
And then there’s also the fact that people that work less busy times or times where the people visiting the restaurant are less wealthy earn less per hour than their counter parts
Or how men or people of colour also earn less in tips.
Or how many times they aren’t even shared with back of the house staff.
It’s just a stupid system overall
Spoken like someone who’s never experienced a French waiter.
You people are so obsessed with attention and false happiness. The server doesn’t care about you they have to beg and grind to get to minimum wage. It’s one step above indentured servitude.
As a server: I literally do care though. I love my regulars and it makes my day when they come in.
I’d still care just as much if I got paid a living wage, but like, don’t say we don’t care when many of us absolutely do.
Lol, you don’t know shit about me.
I definitely think we should pay a living wage to everyone and I’m working to pass that in my city & county, but that’s doesn’t mean I’m in denial about the faux friendliness that results from tipping culture or that the staff are more attentive (it’s much less common for staff to ask if you want more drinks without you having to get their attention in countries without tips than those with)
In the US I hated how the waiters were always bothering me with fake smiles “everything ok sir? do you need something?” while I’ve got my mouth full of food and no interest in conversation. I’ll call if I need something, thank you.
I like living in a society of peers, I don’t need to feel “served”.
Oh I completely agree, I just think it’s ridiculous to pretend tipping doesn’t impact service.
What I was trying to convey is that it has an adverse effect on service in my opinion.
You’re showing your usian bias, of course its less likely that a server elsewhere in the world is going to interrupt your meal. That doesn’t mean they won’t be available when you need them. The rest of the world doesn’t expect or what someone interrupting their experience every 5 minutes, but we know we can signal them when we need something.
It sounds like you want to improve the working day for your own people, but you need to recognise that what you are aiming for is already well below the standard.
French waiters are honest, which I prefer.
Some of the best service I received was in Hong Kong, it was efficient and moderately rude
Maybe better is not the right term but tipping definitely results in politer and usually faster service, there is no point in pretending it doesn’t have an impact.
And I’m against tipping culture, I’m just not in denial that it has an impact.
Best service I received was in Japan without tipping
if I remember well, in Japan tipping is easily seen as an insult
It absolutely is an insult. They see it as “you don’t think i work for someone who pays me enough, but I do.”
Do you tip before you get your meal? If not then they are just working to get you through faster, because a standard 15% every 30 min is better than hoping for 20% for a longer customer.
There are plenty of ways to get faster table turn that don’t involve rushing your customers, like making sure the food is prepared quickly and accurately, or taking payment earlier so that customers can leave whenever they would like.
Obviously, yes, more tips makes more money than less-but-slightly higher tips, but a good server will manage to achieve both high quality and efficient service.
But yeah, everyone needs to make a livable wage, and tipping culture only helps the owning class.