• qevlarr@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Lifelong fan started my boycott two years ago. What Israel is doing, is beyond appalling. It has opened the eyes of so many people that Israel has always been doing this, that it will not stop doing this by their own initiative, so that it is our responsibility as international community to make them stop. Israel is a pariah state for me. All their enablers in Europe, including Germany and Austria, will find themselves on the wrong side of history. They have a historic responsibility to support the Jews, but that should not expand to Israel as a state. A state built on stolen land, with unequal rights, a fundamentalist theocracy, highly militaristic, unbelievable amounts of nasty propaganda, the whole country is beyond saving right now

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    8 hours ago

    Israel always gets a billion votes at the contest and almost wins, but this huge success doesn’t replicate on the streaming platforms where are far away in any charts

    I’m guessing it’s one of those:

    1. All music streaming platforms in the world are colluding to report less listening to those songs, because of some anti-israel agenda

    2. Eurovision public votes are allowing votes from millions of bots, because of some pro-israel agenda

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      8 hours ago

      Not necessarily bots, but astroturfing, yes.

      The Israeli government spends a lot of time and money on targeted ads and campaigning to get people to vote for their song. Not just in Israel, either, these are Israeli embassy accounts:

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      7 hours ago

      If there’s opposition to Israel in the voting, the votes are split across 24 other entries, whereas the support for Israel is for a single entry. It’s not really nefarious, just detracts from the quality of the performances.

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        You’re missing the point. It’s not about opposing Israel through voting, it’s the questionable correlation between voting and the actual popularity of the song. The televotes are supposed to be based on popularity of the song because voters vote for the songs they like the most. There should be a strong correlation between the amount of votes a song gets and the amount of listens it gets on a streaming service because why would you vote for a song you don’t want to listen to. Last year Israel got the most votes from the public, their song has listened only 17 million times on Spotify. Meanwhile the runnerups Estonia and Sweden both had 120 million listens. In fact if you look at previous years pretty much all televote winners have had a lot of listens (the lowest I saw in the last 5 years was around 80 million). It’s only Israel who wins the televote but can’t even reach 20 million listens. The correlation that should be there simply isn’t there.

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    Well Finlands religious nutters and MAGA-style right wing Elon Musk fan boys were certainly provoked to vote for Israel… again.

    Song was not that special and we ended up giving Israel 12 points… again.

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      We tend not to vote in the first place, especially when votes are the most expensive in the entire EU - cheapest was 0,13€ in Denmark, while it was 1,5€/vote here. Someone calculated that based on some previous years with 10 max votes, you could easily get the first place with just something like 1000 people voting the max amount. (And possibly even a lot fewer, as it was max 10 votes per payment method, so one person could use multiple to stack on votes)

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      6 hours ago

      Links or it didn’t happen.(Not trying to cancel you, but it would nice to add links or something similar about your claims.)

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        Wikipedia has a detailed breakdown of the voting results for jury and televoting. Finland gave 12 points to Israel in the televoting, the jury gave no points to Israel.

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      9 hours ago

      i’ve never even heard of eurovision. i mean what even is a euro vision

      stop lying; you’re on lemmy so you’ve seen the israel hate

      israel got second tho, mazel tov!

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      I don’t watch eurovison, honestly I only ever hear about winners like this, and frankly this song is a banger (a bangaranga even) and the choreography is sick.

      I watched it on Youtube since well, people were talking about it, and honestly I’m not gonna get this song out of my head for days.

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          Sam is always entertaining to watch. I catch his YouTube channels fairly regularly. I listen to fairly niche stuff and Sam’s Music isn’t really my jam per se. He’s definitely no virtuoso or genius musically but he’s absolutely solid and a really good performer. I don’t think most people watching realize how hard what he does is. Tuning, maintaining, and playing analog synth live.

          I live in oceanway on the other side of the planet on a continent I think has no participation in the competition whatsoever? So I generally don’t pay attention to it. But I was well chuffed to see that Sam was representing the UK. He’s got enthusiasm and heart for days.

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        Been watching Sam for years since he was living in unused commercial buildings and constructing diy mad scientist synths. He’s a real and genuine guy, he deserved more.

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        Wow. That. Hmm.

        I’m glad he seems to be having fun. Really, that’s what matters.

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      Eurovision has entries from the members of the European Broadcasting Union, which started out Europe-centric but now has members from other places too - notably Israel, Morocco, and Australia.

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        To be honest I would rather see only European countries. Adding these countries and especially the controversial Israel doesn’t help Europe to unite.
        I also don’t really like the over the top way the festival is presented, it looks very fake and glamorous to me. I don’t associate myself with the fake and glamorous