Griffin added more details to her initial post, writing, “A senior US official tells me that it was a US military strike on Iran’s Qeshm port and Bandar Abbas moments ago but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire.”
and here begins the “second” 60 day congressionally unapproved war with iran.
Huh. And here’s me thinking a cease fire means you ceased firing.
No, these are just ‘love taps’
Peace talks are progressing in the typical Israeli fashion I see
but added this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire
What in the fuck? When Iran retaliates, are these people gonna cry that Iran broke the ceasefire?
This is so childish.
Straight from Russian playbook. Just straight up lie in front of the whole world. Your fanatics will believe you anyways and the doubters won’t know who to trust.
Where are those Iraqi nukes, George?
As a “doubter,” I know not to trust a single word ever said by Trump. The only thing that matters are his actions, because those can be read no matter what he wants me to think.
How to tell if the orange kid-fucker is lying…
…his mouth is open
Not necessarily, he lies via text all the time.
its been the american playbook since at least the gulf of tonkin which brought us into the vietnam war. its nothing new that donny is getting from his bff putin.
If you think for a moment the government didn’t know some shenanigans was up on the Pearl harbor invasion… Rest assured they knew something was going to happen they didn’t expect Pearl harbor to be it… but the powers that be we’re looking for something to justify the United States entering the war
the pacific side. yeah. i dont disagree.
I’m tired of all this bullshit always the same playbook
If anything, Russia is using the long established playbook belonging to the US.
They are going to say that literally nothing is breaking the cease fire, unless Iran does something large enough to rile up the US population.
The moment the ceasefire is “broken” they need to go before congress and get their stamp of approval on the war. But so long as they are in a ceasefire, they don’t have to do that.
So they are going to continue with the war, but constantly claim that their acts of war aren’t breaking the cease fire, so they still aren’t at war, so they still don’t need congress.
Yes.
This is a new operation: ’ Giant Clusterfuck’
So, is the ceasefire over, or are we just doing an Israel-style ceasefire?
You cease, we fire
Iran is not Gaza. If the usa don’t cease , Iran will not cease. Even hizbollah no longer accept isrsel breach if the cease fire and are back at full scaled retaliation
Toddler logic:
Ceasefire means you stop, I can still do what I want.
People forget trump has always wanted a forever war to cancel elections.
He doesn’t want to permanently fix anything, he wants it ready to blow as an excuse to cancel an election.
Don’t forget Bibi has canceled like 4 consecutive Israeli elections, it’s his bread and butter and he’s running this show.
The war won’t end while trump is in office.
I expect a false flag attack, blamed on Iran, to happen right before the midterms
Faux news:
Iran just shit trump’s pants!
But didn’t Biden shit Trump’s pants before that? :O
Mar a lago ,may I hope
That’s the only way I would believe the attack is real. It’ll probably be an Amazon warehouse which happens to be fully staffed by union supporters.
He’s also likely hit the Alzheimer’s stage of his life. Combine his general impulsivity with the characteristic impulsivity of Alzheimer’s. Now add in his likely cluster B personality disorder. Anything can happen at any time.
Reason may not be involved at all.
Someone gift him a luger with ammo and he’ll fix the problem himself.
Ding ding ding
So our best hope for mankind’s future is…McDonald’s?
apparently because Americans seem OK to bring the world to ruin before attempting to organize a general strike or protest on a week day
They’re inviting ufc fighters to the White House and someone could potentially do something really funny
I would pay so much money to watch a PPV fight between any UFC fighter and everyone in Trump’s cabinet. Starting with the president and VP, of course.
I know Bibi is running the country lika a dictator, but has he really cancelled any elections? As far as I can tell, since 2000 there have been Knesset elections 2003, 2006, 2009, 2013, 2015, 2019, 2019 (again), 2020, 2021 and 2022 with the next one expected in October this year.
Doesn’t sound like there have been any cancellations, considering the members serve four-year terms, however, there have been plenty of early elections.
Can you clarify what you meant by him having cancelled Israeli elections?
They don’t have regular elections, they can happen as often as every year.
Bibi has cancelled due to “war” since 2022, and while there is an election scheduled this year, that has been true for every year since 2022 as well.
Edit:
And the reason they happened twice in 19, then three years in a row is because a lot of Israel blames Bibi for all of this…
Very very slim wins for his parties and his alliance keeps fracturing. If he wasn’t canceling elections,the wouldn’t be in charge.
And as soon as he’s not in charge, his corruption trial starts and he’s clearly guilty. Like there’s a shit ton of evidence, he will be found guilty.
It’s a lot more fucked up than people think, there’s a lot of propaganda from all sides that want to make it seem like Bibi has the support of every Israeli, when it’s more like America and trump.
Right, so if I understand correctly the Knesset has voted to have an early election several times since 2022, but Bibi has vetoed those decisions to stay in power?
Still, I’d be more hopeful this year since the four years are up and I’d assume it’s not as easy to cancel a mandatory election than an early election. At least I hope so.
Actually, what he meant was a seas-fire, hence the bombing of a coastal city /s
No, this is a new war which Congress totally doesn’t need to approve for 90 days.
AFAIK the ceasefire ever existing was a myth? Trump just kinda declared it without anyone else agreeing and then everyone kept shooting anyway, Trump included.
Since Iran retaliated I would say the cease fire is done
The ceasefire was done when the us attacked iran
That’s why I said retaliated. It mean the usa restarted the hostilities first
Regardless of retaliation, if there is a ceasefire, and someone shoots from one side to the other, even without a retaliation, the ceasefire is violated.
Actually the cease fire become null and Iran has the right to retaliate, which they did.
That’s what I said. https://lemmy.world/comment/23627380
Yes iran has the right to retaliate
Maybe it was a misunderstanding but your first reply to mind felt like it meant that I did not acknowledge that the USA was the one who broke it. I guess we agreed from the start
Once Iran reports on it then I might start to believe it.
I can’t wait for Iran to release another series of satellite pics of even more expensive pedophile assets being turned into smoking craters.
Trump doesn’t even respect the ceasefire
He can’t spell ceasefire. Or Iran. Or USA
Not a restarting of the war? LMAO this administration thinks we are STUPID.
I mean you guys did vote him in
Twice.
TWICEThe first time was moronic, but the second is unforgivable. Just unforgivable.
Please, stop assuming every US citizen voted for Trump. A lot of them didn’t, and you most likely have no idea whether the person you replied to is one of them.
These kind of comments are becoming tiresome and doesn’t help anyone; and they certainly doesn’t bring anything to the discussion.
It is a coin flip, but fair enough. You’re right, egging on is too easy and gets stale quick.
@lemmy.ca . The user you replied to seems to be canadian.
Haven’t they been annexed? /s
The most significant issue with an idiot is that they will always assume that everyone around them is less intelligent than they are.
The Dunning-Cougar effect. I know this one and I’m never wrong.
Dunning-Kruger?
Whooooosh
thinks we are STUPID.
the majority of the country voted for him or abstained… so yes… amerikkka is stupid
Well, a large percentage of the US is stupid.
Most Americans can’t read at a 12th grade level.
More than half the adult population can’t read at a grade 6 level.
Yep, that’s the whole most Americans are functionally illiterate. I know. We’re mostly a lost cause.
You can be bad at school and still be smart in many different aspects.
No.
Most humans can’t read at a 12th grade level.
Yeah but we’re talking about America where education through the 12th grade is compulsory. By virtue of passing every American with a high school education should be capable of analyzing and consuming media at a pre-collegiate level. More than half can’t do it at even a sixth grade level. Half of Americans are functionally illiterate. Just look at any reddit thread or any America centric fediverse thread.
It’s just a demented military operation…
It thinks Republicans are. Because passivity from the Republicans in the Senate is all he needs to keep the war going. I certainly have no faith in the military to reject unlawful orders themselves.
Basic article, but news snippets & headlines (sans article reading) can work the same way. As one example, we are now seeing pregnant women shun Tylenol, not for anything specific they remember, just a vague “I heard it could be bad for the baby.”
MAGA knows what they say in brief sound bites, on repeat, can and will have similar impact.
Not on all. But they don’t need all. They just need enough absorbing the info in this way to keep us divided and forever following different information.
Tbh our country re-elected him so I can see why they’d get that impression
Nah, they think you’re powerless. And they’re generally right.
It’s true statement and a sad one. People need to turn that around, they are not powerless, but they are conditioned to think so.
You hold the power…if you choose it. You are not ants to be squished.
This administration thinks we’re as drunk as they are
Imagine the average person. Pretty dumb, right? Now remember half of people are dumber than that
At some point, words still need to mean SOMETHING so at least a transfer of information happens. At this rate, by next year they’ll be down to pointing and grunting.
Y’all are missing the point of saying it’s not a resumption. Of course it is. But they have to lie. If they admit they’re resuming, it means they’re in violation of the war powers act by going past 60 days. I expect the next lie will be that actually, this is a totally new military operation and the clock has reset.
Nobody is forced to accept lies
They were already in violation of the War Powers Resolution/Act when they started the war (not a defensive operation), but now they are even more in violation.
He’s literally done that multiple times already…
So yeah, pretty safe bet
And when they need to justify the war they claim we’ve been at war with Iran for 47 years.
Each lie is made for each argument or question they are addressing and does not need to be consistent with prior lies.
Neat thing about the war powers act is all the president has to do is tell Congress they need 30 more days to “wind-down” operations. Then they get 30 free more days to do whatever
Apparently this was a “love tap”. Only a man with the sexual history of Donny the Demented would think that.
Well he probably thinks Qeshm was asking for it by dressing that way …
this is NOT a restarting of the war or end to the ceasefire
Fires
“This is not an end to the ceasefire”
Now they’re gonna wait for Iran to fire back and say they broke the ceasefire.
The old Israeli approach to ceasefires.
I mean how can you cease firing if you aren’t firing?
Checkmate atheists
“Time in. Tag, you’re it. Time out.”
it’s just a tribute
You can’t restart a war that never ended or end a cease-fire that never started
“Us firing during a ceasefire doesn’t cease the cease fire.” Hegseth probably
Alternative ceasefire
