Where are these men? I’ve never met one. I know men who hates some particular women but never anyone who hates all of them. Perhaps hate isn’t the best word to describe what you actually mean here.
Andrew Tate is around women all the time. He actively seeks their company even. That’s not what someone who “hates all women” would do. That’s why I’m saying that hate isn’t probably the best term here. You’re talking about something else.
Well, first of all, it’s not a binary choice between love and hate and secondly, I don’t think most slave owners hated black people. They saw them as inferior or sub-human but that’s a different thing. Almost like how we treat animals at factory farms. We don’t do that because we hate cows, pigs and chickens.
Did you know that after slavery was abolished in the U.S, there were many laws passed to ban blacks from using the same water fountains. Restaurants. Bathrooms and schools.
Because many whites thought that blacks were “dirty” and didn’t want them to touch the same things that they had to touch.
Do you think that freeing blacks in the U.S caused many whites to suddenly hate them or isn’t it more likely that hate was always there it just became more public?
I think you might find the Standford prison experiment of interest.
It’s a flawed experiment, but it does illustrate how looking down at another human is a form of hate.
Because ultimately the hostile person believes the victim to have caused their place in life.
They choose to be a pathetic. And lowly.
Humans are not evaluated the same as animals.
People are racist against other humans. Or hate them for their nationality.
People don’t have those beliefs about animals.
We are social creatures. We value social rules and social interactions with humans. And a lot of that is exclusive to other humans. We don’t extend those interactions to other animals.
No, I don’t think I am. He doesn’t like women. He likes the status they give with other men. He likes their vaginas to fuck. But he doesn’t like women.
Here’s a simple example to show my point. If you like somebody, you would spend your time doing the activities they like to do, do you can be with them and learn more about them. Fair?
Do you think Andrew Tate would sit and watch the entire series of Gilmore girls with someone if it wasn’t just to fuck them?
Saying “I’ve never met a man who hates all women, only specific ones” is not the same as a racist saying “I hate all black people except a few good ones.”
The first is observing that blanket hatred of an entire sex is rare. The second is still expressing racial hatred while making a token exception. Equating the two is a false equivalence that dodges the actual point.
Men who hate women in generally will usually keep it to themselves in public for the most part. They’re not going to go on a tirade about how much they hate women to someone they don’t think is going to disagree with them, which might explain why you’ve not seen it personally.
And have you seriously never heard of incels? I’m not saying hating women is inherent to inceldom, but it’s pretty damned pervasive among them. Especially in online spaces.
Men who hate women in generally will usually keep it to themselves in public for the most part. They’re not going to go on a tirade about how much they hate women to someone they don’t think is going to disagree with them, which might explain why you’ve not seen it personally.
Exactly this. Misogynists don’t talk about that shit with men who they don’t already know share the same views. They are universally fragile and insecure. They don’t want their beliefs challenged especially not by another guy. The way it works is, if they don’t know you they will say something that teeters on the edge of misogyny without being egregious enough that they will get called out for it. If you entertain whatever they say then they’ll start going mask off around you because they know you’re “safe”. If they get rebuffed then they keep the mask on around you.
I’ve known a couple of guys where various women have said that they were sexist creeps but I never got that from them. But in hindsight for both of those guys I remember an interaction where they would say something about a woman or women in general which just verged on inapropriate withough going into “dude wtf” territory. Both times I essentially just gave them a weird look and they never got near that line with me again.
This is why most guys don’t see misogyny nearly as often as women do. When a misogynist “tests the waters” with another guy they do it in a way that is subtle enough to seem entirely innocuous in the moment.
Where are these men? I’ve never met one. I know men who hates some particular women but never anyone who hates all of them. Perhaps hate isn’t the best word to describe what you actually mean here.
Seriously? The entire manosphere hates women. They view them as entirely transactional.
Andrew Tate is around women all the time. He actively seeks their company even. That’s not what someone who “hates all women” would do. That’s why I’m saying that hate isn’t probably the best term here. You’re talking about something else.
Did slave owners love blacks ? I mean they kept buying them. They had them make their food. Wash clothes. They were always around the house.
Surely if they surrounded themselves with black people that must mean they don’t hate them or see them as lower than themselves.
Well, first of all, it’s not a binary choice between love and hate and secondly, I don’t think most slave owners hated black people. They saw them as inferior or sub-human but that’s a different thing. Almost like how we treat animals at factory farms. We don’t do that because we hate cows, pigs and chickens.
Did you know that after slavery was abolished in the U.S, there were many laws passed to ban blacks from using the same water fountains. Restaurants. Bathrooms and schools.
Because many whites thought that blacks were “dirty” and didn’t want them to touch the same things that they had to touch.
Do you think that freeing blacks in the U.S caused many whites to suddenly hate them or isn’t it more likely that hate was always there it just became more public?
I think you might find the Standford prison experiment of interest.
It’s a flawed experiment, but it does illustrate how looking down at another human is a form of hate.
Because ultimately the hostile person believes the victim to have caused their place in life.
They choose to be a pathetic. And lowly.
Humans are not evaluated the same as animals. People are racist against other humans. Or hate them for their nationality.
People don’t have those beliefs about animals.
We are social creatures. We value social rules and social interactions with humans. And a lot of that is exclusive to other humans. We don’t extend those interactions to other animals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology
No, I don’t think I am. He doesn’t like women. He likes the status they give with other men. He likes their vaginas to fuck. But he doesn’t like women.
Here’s a simple example to show my point. If you like somebody, you would spend your time doing the activities they like to do, do you can be with them and learn more about them. Fair?
Do you think Andrew Tate would sit and watch the entire series of Gilmore girls with someone if it wasn’t just to fuck them?
Not liking and hating are different things.
You can I may have different definitions, but I think if you treat a human being like an object to be used, that’s hate.
Thats like a racist saying that there are some good blacks
Saying “I’ve never met a man who hates all women, only specific ones” is not the same as a racist saying “I hate all black people except a few good ones.”
The first is observing that blanket hatred of an entire sex is rare. The second is still expressing racial hatred while making a token exception. Equating the two is a false equivalence that dodges the actual point.
Men who hate women in generally will usually keep it to themselves in public for the most part. They’re not going to go on a tirade about how much they hate women to someone they don’t think is going to disagree with them, which might explain why you’ve not seen it personally.
And have you seriously never heard of incels? I’m not saying hating women is inherent to inceldom, but it’s pretty damned pervasive among them. Especially in online spaces.
Here’s some reading if you can be bothered.
https://reporter.anu.edu.au/all-stories/misogynistic-mass-violence-is-on-the-rise-why-are-we-ignoring-it
https://womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/domestic-abuse-is-a-gendered-crime/
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/warren-farrell-mens-rights-movement-feminism-misogyny-trolls/
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/mens-rights-movement-spreads-false-claims-about-women/
Exactly this. Misogynists don’t talk about that shit with men who they don’t already know share the same views. They are universally fragile and insecure. They don’t want their beliefs challenged especially not by another guy. The way it works is, if they don’t know you they will say something that teeters on the edge of misogyny without being egregious enough that they will get called out for it. If you entertain whatever they say then they’ll start going mask off around you because they know you’re “safe”. If they get rebuffed then they keep the mask on around you.
I’ve known a couple of guys where various women have said that they were sexist creeps but I never got that from them. But in hindsight for both of those guys I remember an interaction where they would say something about a woman or women in general which just verged on inapropriate withough going into “dude wtf” territory. Both times I essentially just gave them a weird look and they never got near that line with me again.
This is why most guys don’t see misogyny nearly as often as women do. When a misogynist “tests the waters” with another guy they do it in a way that is subtle enough to seem entirely innocuous in the moment.
Word. I’m like very stereotypically straight white guy. I know plenty of these men.