The entire Bible should clearly be disregarded over the whole bird thing. Unless of courses you are seriously telling me that the ancient hebrews didn’t use our western classification systems for animals, but that would just be ludicrous.
16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, 17 that each person who belongs to God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Except we know that it was written by people, indeed as scripture itself says it is. St Paul wrote that letter to Timothy, the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew, etc. Personality traits of the writers are present, such as St Luke who was a doctor having a few medical influences on his work. Matthew was Jewish and explains Jewish prophecy, and St John focuses on Christology, demonstrates a rivalry with St Peter and also shows his dislike for Judas Iscariot. St Paul laments his past.
Read your quote again.
Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness, that each person who belongs to God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
What is scripture useful for teaching, reproof and correcting in what? Righteousness, and to equip for good work. St Paul clealry states it’s an authority on Morality. Scripture is not useful for taxonomy, the exact political positions of figures at the time, or for determining the age of the earth. Scripture is for equipping yourself to live a God honouring life and it tells the Gospel message of Christ’s Virgin birth, Ministry and teaching, His suffering of death, His resurrection and ascension, and that He will return in glory to judge both the living and the dead; that His Kingdom will have no end. In light of that we can be equipped for every good work and know how to honour God. While there are some useful historical nuggets in The Bible (Nehemiah documents the earliest known usage of passports) it’s not a taxonomy, geology, astronomy or biology book.
It’s a stupid, backwards book encouraging people to join a literal death cult.
Scripture is for equipping yourself to live a God honouring life
The god who chose to make us suffer? Nah, fuck that guy. Glad he’s not real. Unfortunately, human bullshitters are killing us in his name anyway.
Interesting how god inspired exactly enough of the bible for you to cherry pick the parts you care about. Interesting that god failed to convey basic aspects of the universe he supposedly created. Weak god.
The basic aspects of the universe that God created can be observed and explored. He didn’t need to convey it in written scripture, which is the only way a redemption story could have been preserved.
Once again, it appears your argument fell apart but you’re trying to claim victory anyway
backwards book encouraging people to join a literal death cult.
The god who chose to make us suffer? Nah, fuck that guy.
Seems to be a heart issue ragher than a head issue. Basically all human suffering is a product of human activity anyway and the rejection of God, God doesn’t inflict suffering on us. Suffering is caused by the lack of goodness. But God does promise us the end of all suffering anyway. He will punish all wickedness and exalt the humble and meek. All one must do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, and let Him transform them. He will have eternal life.
As for talking donkeys, you can’t bring obvious fiction or superstition into the real world by proclaiming “MIRACLE”. That’s now how reality works.
And “hey the slave didn’t die so by all means carry on owning another human being as property” is not the moral flex you think it is.
You haven’t proven the bible is accurate or moral. You’ve only proven that you are brainwashed by your religion into justifying atrocities and need to work on bettering yourself.
Finally, why are you explaining your holy book? A book that supposedly contains the infallible word of a god should not need mere mortals to explain it. God should have hired a holy ghost writer.
13 And these ye shall have in detestation among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are a detestable thing: the great vulture, and the bearded vulture, and the ospray;
Direct Hebrew translation.
It wasnt listing birds nor fowls
it was telling you that you shall not eat fowls NOR those things
There are a bunch of modern documented miracles, the Lord works in mysterious ways
As I said, most of that does not apply to us anymore as Christ fulfilled it
As for talking donkeys, you can’t bring obvious fiction or superstition into the real world by proclaiming “MIRACLE”. That’s now how reality works.
That’s literally what a miracle is. You’re using circular reasoning here. “Miracles that defy natural explanation did not happen because they defy natural explanation, and nothing can defy natural explanation because we have never seen it happen, therefore miracles cannot and did not happen”
You are typing the words yourself and not getting it. That is definitely some sort of talent.
If there is a claim that something supernatural happened, it better have rock solid evidence to support it. Calling something a miracle because you want it to be true does not make it true. Proving it does. And the only proof of any “miracle” in the bible is - guess what? - cited using the bible. That’s what circular reasoning is.
If you make a claim with no objective, testable, flasifiable proof, all you have is a claim. And until you provide robust proof, I will dismiss your claim.
And the only proof of any “miracle” in the bible is - guess what? - cited using the bible. That’s what circular reasoning is.
Actually, no. It’s not. If I was saying “This miracle happened which is why the Bible is true, the proof it happened is because the Bible says so and it did because it’s true” then yes, that would be circular reasoning.
To develop this further because I enjoy infodumping on my special interests, you can divide the Bible into two natures: theological and historical. You start with the historical It is worth mentioning that the Bible is a collection of human writings, which we have divided into 66. (Some were written as the same work but were divided up, like Luke and Acts or the Penteuch, but that’s another topic)
So, my thought process is simple. I believe that parts of the New Testament was written first-hand by people who knew Jesus of Nazareth. The pattern of the writings show whoever wrote it was historically familiar with their surroundings. It was generally undisputed who wrote these at the time. They line up enough to be giving a consistent narrative, but not enough to be copying each other in the case of John vs the Synoptics (The synoptics did borrow from each other quite a bit). This is the crux of the matter- Is the New Testament reliable? If you put it under scrutiny and come to the conclusion simply that it is written by people who knew Jesus of Nazareth and that they genuinely believed in what they were saying (considering they got absolutely destroyed by the romans for this belief and didn’t stand to benefit as well), then what follows is that Jesus literally rose from the dead, must have really been God and whatever He and the Holy Spirit taught is true. Then, what follows is that whatever Jesus taught is in fact true, so eg, we should love our neighbours. Then since He quoted the Old Testament and also appointed disciples and spoke of the Holy Spirit, it’s worth concluding that these writings are also true.
So if the Historical nature of the Bible is true, then Jesus’ divinity is true. If Jesus’ divinity is true, then the theological nature is true. But the Bible cannot be used to prove the Bible. When I was younger, my skeptical mind was disappointed by a tract proposing the question “Is the Bible True” ans concluding ‘yes’ because a bible verse says it is. Sure, St Paul who was witnessed receiving a vision of Jesus and being blinded can attest that He is writing with the Holy Spirit as He has the credentials, and Jesus can attest the Holy Spirit was in the Old Testament because He is God and thus has the credentials, but it cannot be used to ascertain whether or not the Bible is historically true.
If you make a claim with no objective, testable, flasifiable proof, all you have is a claim. And until you provide robust proof, I will dismiss your claim
With this standard, good luck trying to prove that most of history happened.
Another issue with this standard- Miracles are miraculous because they aren’t really testable - if holding a flame up to a stick of dry wood causes it to catch fire, that’s not a miracle, that’s just considered science. Your standard is deliberately designed in such a way so that you’d never believe a miracle.
Then, what follows is that whatever Jesus taught is in fact true, so eg, we should love our neighbours. Then since He quoted the Old Testament and also appointed disciples and spoke of the Holy Spirit, it’s worth concluding that these writings are also true.
In order: Leviticus 11:19
2 Peter 2:16 & Numbers 22:28
Exodus 21:20-21
Leviticus 11:19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.
2 Peter 2:16 but he was rebuked for his own disobedience. A speechless donkey spoke with a man’s voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.
This is a miracle, not a statement that donkeys speak (literally SPEECHLESS DONKEY)
Numbers 22:28 The LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”
Again, A MIRACLE
Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, “Don’t be afraid, for God has come to test you, and that his fear may be before you, that you won’t sin.”
The entire Bible should clearly be disregarded over the whole bird thing. Unless of courses you are seriously telling me that the ancient hebrews didn’t use our western classification systems for animals, but that would just be ludicrous.
Did god write it, or not? Why intentionally leave in any confusing mistakes? He must not be all-powerful.
God didn’t write the Bible. You’re thinking of Islam and the Qur’an.
I was thinking of 2 Timothy 3:
Except we know that it was written by people, indeed as scripture itself says it is. St Paul wrote that letter to Timothy, the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew, etc. Personality traits of the writers are present, such as St Luke who was a doctor having a few medical influences on his work. Matthew was Jewish and explains Jewish prophecy, and St John focuses on Christology, demonstrates a rivalry with St Peter and also shows his dislike for Judas Iscariot. St Paul laments his past.
Read your quote again.
What is scripture useful for teaching, reproof and correcting in what? Righteousness, and to equip for good work. St Paul clealry states it’s an authority on Morality. Scripture is not useful for taxonomy, the exact political positions of figures at the time, or for determining the age of the earth. Scripture is for equipping yourself to live a God honouring life and it tells the Gospel message of Christ’s Virgin birth, Ministry and teaching, His suffering of death, His resurrection and ascension, and that He will return in glory to judge both the living and the dead; that His Kingdom will have no end. In light of that we can be equipped for every good work and know how to honour God. While there are some useful historical nuggets in The Bible (Nehemiah documents the earliest known usage of passports) it’s not a taxonomy, geology, astronomy or biology book.
It’s a stupid, backwards book encouraging people to join a literal death cult.
The god who chose to make us suffer? Nah, fuck that guy. Glad he’s not real. Unfortunately, human bullshitters are killing us in his name anyway.
Interesting how god inspired exactly enough of the bible for you to cherry pick the parts you care about. Interesting that god failed to convey basic aspects of the universe he supposedly created. Weak god.
The basic aspects of the universe that God created can be observed and explored. He didn’t need to convey it in written scripture, which is the only way a redemption story could have been preserved.
Once again, it appears your argument fell apart but you’re trying to claim victory anyway
Seems to be a heart issue ragher than a head issue. Basically all human suffering is a product of human activity anyway and the rejection of God, God doesn’t inflict suffering on us. Suffering is caused by the lack of goodness. But God does promise us the end of all suffering anyway. He will punish all wickedness and exalt the humble and meek. All one must do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, and let Him transform them. He will have eternal life.
OOPS
Exodus 21:20 “If a man strikes his servant or his maid with a rod, and he dies under his hand, the man shall surely be punished.
Exodus 21:21 Notwithstanding, if his servant gets up after a day or two, he shall not be punished, for the servant is his property.
if the servant is “beat to death”, the man will be punished
and as Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament, it mostly doesnt apply to us anymore
Bats don’t belong on that list.
As for talking donkeys, you can’t bring obvious fiction or superstition into the real world by proclaiming “MIRACLE”. That’s now how reality works.
And “hey the slave didn’t die so by all means carry on owning another human being as property” is not the moral flex you think it is.
You haven’t proven the bible is accurate or moral. You’ve only proven that you are brainwashed by your religion into justifying atrocities and need to work on bettering yourself.
Finally, why are you explaining your holy book? A book that supposedly contains the infallible word of a god should not need mere mortals to explain it. God should have hired a holy ghost writer.
Direct Hebrew translation.
It wasnt listing birds nor fowls it was telling you that you shall not eat fowls NOR those things
There are a bunch of modern documented miracles, the Lord works in mysterious ways
As I said, most of that does not apply to us anymore as Christ fulfilled it
Define “accurate” or “moral”
Infallible ≠ Simple
Bonus 6. I’m tired of you.
Matt 5:17
Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to loosen the law or the prophets. I have not come to loosen, but to fulfill.
He has not come to loosen the laws but to fulfill them
This statement is told because the Pharisees were claiming that he was teaching people to ignore the law of Moses
By fulfill, he means completely live a sinless life that no Israelite had managed, becoming the first and last to do so.
This is also why the sacrificial system was abolished too, because Jesus’ sacrifice was enough to the Lord for eternity.
You haven’t provided proof, only claims. It doesn’t make me uncomfortable, juat disappointed that some people are so credulous.
Shroud of Turin 500+ Witness accounts letters from ROMAN OFFICIALS to Caesar
I could but I don’t care enough.
Is that not the church’s whole thing? You’d think they would be better at it.
That’s literally what a miracle is. You’re using circular reasoning here. “Miracles that defy natural explanation did not happen because they defy natural explanation, and nothing can defy natural explanation because we have never seen it happen, therefore miracles cannot and did not happen”
You are typing the words yourself and not getting it. That is definitely some sort of talent.
If there is a claim that something supernatural happened, it better have rock solid evidence to support it. Calling something a miracle because you want it to be true does not make it true. Proving it does. And the only proof of any “miracle” in the bible is - guess what? - cited using the bible. That’s what circular reasoning is.
If you make a claim with no objective, testable, flasifiable proof, all you have is a claim. And until you provide robust proof, I will dismiss your claim.
Actually, no. It’s not. If I was saying “This miracle happened which is why the Bible is true, the proof it happened is because the Bible says so and it did because it’s true” then yes, that would be circular reasoning.
To develop this further because I enjoy infodumping on my special interests, you can divide the Bible into two natures: theological and historical. You start with the historical It is worth mentioning that the Bible is a collection of human writings, which we have divided into 66. (Some were written as the same work but were divided up, like Luke and Acts or the Penteuch, but that’s another topic)
So, my thought process is simple. I believe that parts of the New Testament was written first-hand by people who knew Jesus of Nazareth. The pattern of the writings show whoever wrote it was historically familiar with their surroundings. It was generally undisputed who wrote these at the time. They line up enough to be giving a consistent narrative, but not enough to be copying each other in the case of John vs the Synoptics (The synoptics did borrow from each other quite a bit). This is the crux of the matter- Is the New Testament reliable? If you put it under scrutiny and come to the conclusion simply that it is written by people who knew Jesus of Nazareth and that they genuinely believed in what they were saying (considering they got absolutely destroyed by the romans for this belief and didn’t stand to benefit as well), then what follows is that Jesus literally rose from the dead, must have really been God and whatever He and the Holy Spirit taught is true. Then, what follows is that whatever Jesus taught is in fact true, so eg, we should love our neighbours. Then since He quoted the Old Testament and also appointed disciples and spoke of the Holy Spirit, it’s worth concluding that these writings are also true.
So if the Historical nature of the Bible is true, then Jesus’ divinity is true. If Jesus’ divinity is true, then the theological nature is true. But the Bible cannot be used to prove the Bible. When I was younger, my skeptical mind was disappointed by a tract proposing the question “Is the Bible True” ans concluding ‘yes’ because a bible verse says it is. Sure, St Paul who was witnessed receiving a vision of Jesus and being blinded can attest that He is writing with the Holy Spirit as He has the credentials, and Jesus can attest the Holy Spirit was in the Old Testament because He is God and thus has the credentials, but it cannot be used to ascertain whether or not the Bible is historically true.
With this standard, good luck trying to prove that most of history happened.
Another issue with this standard- Miracles are miraculous because they aren’t really testable - if holding a flame up to a stick of dry wood causes it to catch fire, that’s not a miracle, that’s just considered science. Your standard is deliberately designed in such a way so that you’d never believe a miracle.
This is a crazy lapse of logic.
Magic isn’t real. It’s a death cult.