Breaking news: The Pope is still Catholic!
And also a pedophile protector. Don’t forget the church is full of them.
I’m convinced that the church has always seen the molestation of boys as a recruitment strategy. Most go on with their lives after being abused, but some probably learn to like it, and they stay in the church, and then do it themselves. This has probably been a pattern for literally centuries, and is responsible for a significant number of recruits.
Celibacy has never been a strong draw, any other strategy that brings in recruits can’t be easily dismissed.
All major religions are full of pedophile protectors.
All major institutions are full of paedophile protectors
That’s because they’re essentially cults
Hey, just because they’re a cult doesn’t mean they attract and protect pedophiles. I’ve been in several cults that don’t tolerate that shit.
Why are you joining cults? Seems like weird hobby.
Sometimes you just gotta keep looking until you find one that’s the right fit, y’know?
hmm like which ones
The Cult of GILFS is probably pretty safe
Is it though, STD rates at old people living facilities are astronomical
every religion is a cult. That’s how religions start.
Whoever typed that was probably a child rapist themselves.
huh?
yall are just re-enacting 1800s america now
how was a random person working for the church a rapist?
proof?
you realize the KKK treated catholics like they treated black people
“all priests are pedophiles” is like “all black people are thieves”
It’s nothing like that. Because all black people aren’t thieves. That’s racism. Calling all priests pedophiles is just facing reality.
Your entire religion is based around child molestation and rape. That is what your God is about. That is what your Jesus is about…
It’s nothing like that. Because all priests aren’t paedophiles. That’s just anti-catholic bigotry. Calling all blacks thieves is just facing reality.
It’s exactly like that
Your entire religion is based around child molestation and rape. That is what your God is about. That is what your Jesus is about…
Must be pretty poorly done then considering nowhere in the Bible does it encourage or condone rape or child molestation
I have a hard time believing that Catholicism can be pure evil. I can accept that child molestation and rape play a major role, but EVERYTHING?
People are fucked up, yeah, but a lot of us are decent too
I would like ANY sort of proof for this
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I feel like hell would use a deliberately obtuse temperature scale, like Rankine.
From the way he has been talked about on the web for several months you would guess he wasn’t
This kind of happens every time. I remember when we got the German/Polish Pope and he was also supposed to be really progressive. And then he turned out to be just another Catholic. :D
When everyone else seems to be in a race to the shitheel bottom, the Catholic Church remaining who they’ve always been feels somewhat better in comparison.
What did he even say that enticed people?!
war is bad
treat people with respect
What psycho countries do you live in?
So many people are cowering in the face of this fascist admin that anyone willing to stand up at all is given props by many. Look at Anthropic, they’re shady as hell and people are still gobbling their knobs for at least having some level of standards.
My prime minister stood up to Usa. Most of Europe did. While bring far more progressive. People should drop the pope and praise us instead.
Which prime minister?
Mette Fredriksen
In reality, I believe there are much greater, more important issues, such as justice, equality
mf saying they want to focus on equality while at the same time saying gay couples blessings, something that would bring EQUALITY, isn’t a priority… make it make sense 🤡
Some animals are more equal than others.
Some people are more animals than others.
They believe marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation, which is their little loophole. They’re so weird about it that I’m surprised they’ve never pushed fertility tests as a pre requisite before allowing a marriage ceremony.
Infertility is a cause for marriage annulation. So it’s controlled, but a posteriori.
They don’t believe that. They just say that. It’d be crazy if they actually believed it. Any reasonable person knows it’s just bad faith rhetoric, not a true belief.
Having been raised in the faith (I’ve walked away for a multitude of reasons) I assure you they do believe it. You’re not even allowed to take contraceptives or have a vasectomy
Didn’t they refuse to marry someone because he had his genitals blown off?
If that actually were the belief, sterile people would not be allowed to be married, and people’s marriages would be annualled when they become sterile, through age or otherwise. Unless they’re asking for these, they do not believe it. They may believe that they believe it, but they don’t.
They say those things are god’s will and thus not an issue. They leave the door open for “miracles” to occur.
Then they should be happy with same sex marriages. A miracle might occur with them just as well.
Works for me
Again, I’m reasonably certain they don’t actually believe a 90 year old woman is suddenly going to get pregnant, or a woman who doesn’t have a uterus anymore, or whatever else. These might be the words they’re told to repeat to justify things, but they don’t believe them. Not even the most devout would believe that.
They may believe God could technically do this, but then he could also technically do the same for same sex couples. He’s omnipotent, according to them, after all. His powers are not limited to only making miracles pregnancies to hetero couples. It’s no more outrageous than expecting people physically incapable of becoming pregnant becoming pregnant. If they justify this belief based on miricles, then same sex marriage is equally justified. (This is not their belief. They don’t believe the former premise, but this is the conclusion that it’d lead to.)
Then they should dissolve their marriages once their children move out, having fulfilled its only purpose. Staying married after you’re done having kids is lust, pride, and vanity.
/s
If they truly believe that then why are they all celibate? They are chalk full of pedophiles too. Why I hate any post praising the pope. Fucker also lives like a king. Wonder how many of the popes are pedophiles themselves.
Priests cannot marry. Marriage and the Priesthood (Holy Orders) are the only sacraments that are mutually exclusive.
Eastern Catholic priests can marry, actually. There are married Catholic priests out there right now, and not because they converted in from Anglicanism after they married (though those exist, too), but fully cradle Catholics who were married before their vocation. Somehow this has not exploded the church or whatever. It is inconsistent and ridiculous.
Had never heard of that before, thanks for the info
This is one of those pieces of info I try to slip in whenever possible. I’m a firm believer that celibacy is bad for the mind, body, and soul when it’s forced on people. Priests may go into it willingly, but years and years of it with no reprieve does bad things to people’s minds. If the church could make one reform that I genuinely believe would be best, it is the celibacy of clergy. Tons of reforms needed, but that one is the one I think needs to happen soonest.
Still stupid it’s nowhere in the bible. Makes me believe the priest thing was made for repressed pedophiles.
The actual reason is because the church was protecting its assets from the priests. Back then, priests were very powerful members of local government and controlled a large percentage of the wealth in an area. If they could get married and had kids, their kids would inherit the wealth they accumulated instead of that wealth going to the church.
Historically the priesthood/other holy orders was a place to toss the weird people or undesirable heirs. It was a convenient way for the gay uncle to have a respectable job and explain why they didn’t have a wife. It was also a way to keep pedo types isolated but productive, at least until resources led to many orders dissolving.
marriage is a union between man and woman, as per the Bible
Bats are birds, as per the Bible. Donkeys talk, as per the Bible. Slave owning is cool as long as you don’t beat them to death, as per the Bible.
There’s plenty of stuff in the Bible that’s utter garbage.
verses please
In order: Leviticus 11:19
2 Peter 2:16 & Numbers 22:28
Exodus 21:20-21
Leviticus 11:19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.
2 Peter 2:16 but he was rebuked for his own disobedience. A speechless donkey spoke with a man’s voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.
This is a miracle, not a statement that donkeys speak (literally SPEECHLESS DONKEY)
Numbers 22:28 The LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”
Again, A MIRACLE
Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, “Don’t be afraid, for God has come to test you, and that his fear may be before you, that you won’t sin.”
The entire Bible should clearly be disregarded over the whole bird thing. Unless of courses you are seriously telling me that the ancient hebrews didn’t use our western classification systems for animals, but that would just be ludicrous.
OOPS
Exodus 21:20 “If a man strikes his servant or his maid with a rod, and he dies under his hand, the man shall surely be punished.
Exodus 21:21 Notwithstanding, if his servant gets up after a day or two, he shall not be punished, for the servant is his property.
if the servant is “beat to death”, the man will be punished
and as Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament, it mostly doesnt apply to us anymore
Weak bait
not bait nor weak
He meant it in a Catholic sense; material equality.
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Since the “they” modifies the church, that means the church is sinful? Agreed. In that case, what…Christians support the paedophiles, not the paedophilia?
If a paedophile is demonstrating repentance and wanting to turn away from paedophilia, then yes, we should forgive and support them in not practicing paedophilia.
They had better demonstrate more than repentance, and there had better be legal recourse, victim-guided restitution and safeguards established. None of this “just move Father Barnes to a congregation in El Salvador and hide all documentation without doing anything further” garbage, as the church has done consistently forever.
You said that they better demonstrate more than repentance and then described what repentance is. Repentance isn’t simply just saying “sorry” with your mouth
“they” refers to the act of homosexuality im european (not british nor american) so forgive my grammar
Apologies for playing grammar games, but I will absolutely condemn your bigoted ideas.
The church, as with most people, does not separate people from their sexuality. The phrase “love the sinner, hate the sin” is disingenuous at best, allowing hatred to continue, but with the thin veneer of civility that makes the bigots feel comfortable in their smug judgement. That is 100% garbage and you and I both know this.
Stop defending inhumane institutions and be a better person.
and in the 1700s “an good person” meant someone who didnt beat their slave
And it was still wrong. You’d think your all knowing god would know that if he’s such a moral peraon.
This was in the BCs and it does not apply anymore
“Moral” and “Good” standards change every year
in 20 years, the best person you know could be absolute evil
We love the sinners Hate the sin we love the people we love ALL people we hate NO people
Repeating the lie does not make it true. I’ve seen Christian “love” in action. Much of the time it is two-faced, disingenuous, and conditional. Not all Christians are like this of course, but enough are that it’s become a standard.
Perhaps you are a good person who just happens to swallow the lies of religion. I know people like that as well - people who are good not because of their religious upbringing but in spite of it. I hope some day you realise you have it within you to be more moral, kind, and accepting than the religious organisation you follow. And to do it without them.
those people are the loud minority visit a Monastery, Frater.
we are all sinners
and the Church supports EVERYBODY not their sins
If Adolf Hitler walked into the Church, he would be allowed to confess his sins and become a Catchumen
“I don’t disagree, but there is disagreement” Is essentially what he’s saying. WTF. Just say you fucking disagree, or if you don’t, why the fuck say anything at all? Is it because you’re a homophobe?
Am I misreading? leo is saying he does NOT agree with the cardinal saying it’s fine for same-sex marriage?
Yeah. Cause he’s still a homophobic piece of shit, he’s just an anti-war homophobic piece of shit. We should not be surprised by this.
figured as much, i guess. TIL the catholic church is bigoted as fuck. More at ten.
Just today you learned the Catholic Church is bigoted?
Woosh
Sure you’re using that correctly?
Yes
To his credit he is slightly less homophobic than is the norm for the Catholic Church. But that’s kind of like saying someone is less fascist than Mussolini. Objectively better than the alternative, but not actually good.
Yeah, I’m sure he can turn a blind eye on gay sex if it’s between a grown man and a little boy.
i feel like pedophelia is very different from being gay, attraction to minors is different to the same sex consensual legal age. pedophelia, beastiality, necrophelia wont be equivalent to gay/bi/trans sex, the attraction seems very different despite being same sex. conservatives have totally used this to condemn/persecute lgbqt+ people.
pedophiles had tried to attribute thier pedophelia as part of the lgtbq+ community to whitewash themselves, they arnt accepted at all.
homophobic? homophobic means hating gay people the pope does not hate ANY people he hates their sin all are welcome within the church
Just as I hate your sin of being a dumb fuck, but I love you as a person still.
thats not a sin and thanks
OK, for marriage. Not OK for unmarried relationships. That’s how I read it as well.
“The Holy See has made it clear that we do not agree with the formalized blessing of couples, in this case, homosexual couples, as you asked, or couples in irregular situations, beyond what was specifically, if you will, allowed for by Pope Francis in saying all people receive blessings,” he saidOr, without all the fluff
“The Holy See has made it clear that we do not agree with the formalized blessing of couples ... beyond what was specifically ... allowed for by Pope Francis in saying all people receive blessings,” he saidSo if Francis said it was ok; it’s fine. But it seems like Francis said it wasn’t fine.
At the same time though, I’ve started to
looselose trust in media outlets and idk how reputable NewsWeekFrancis said you can bless everyone all at once, including gay people, at the end of the sermon. Some want to make it a stand alone blessing like those given at weddings. Leo is saying you cannot do that, but can still bless everyone.
Loose the trust where? You shouldn’t let your trust just run wild. I’d keep it secure.
I usually let my trust run around off leash at the parks
~ffs, every time… lol~
Newsweek is not reputable.
Periodic reminder: the Episcopal Church exists. Has all the rituals and sacraments, the Apostolic Succession, but also ordains women and Queer people to the priesthood and blesses their marriages. The Episcopal Church is present in Germany (part of the Episcopal Church in Europe, formerly known as the Convocation of Episcopal Churches in Europe).
It’s almost like there’s a religion that covers most all beliefs. Like the religious machine doesn’t even care who gives them money while providing moral elitism at the same time
so the catholic church but it is not catholic nor a church?
I’m not sure I understand this question. It’s literally a church and it defines itself as part of the “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church” same as the Roman Catholic Church does. That latter part is debated by the Roman Catholic Church (but even Pope Paul VI was open to the fact that Anglican Christianity sits in a space quite different from that of “Protestantism” writ large–the Episcopal Church is part of the global community of Anglican churches, being rooted in the Church of England).
a church that supports sin instead of trying to lesd people to Christ?-
Okay, now I see where you’re coming from. If you actually want to engage with some different thinking about Christianity, here’s a thing I wrote a ways back regarding same-sex marriage and the Church. It’s not perfect and was debated a fair bit on a different Lemmy thread several weeks back, but I think it helps introduce some key thinking about this topic. But for some reason I suspect that you’re not interested in a good-faith discussion.
the church of England, ah yes
Catholic but really not doesnt follow the pope at all
hmmmmmm
leader of child rape ring says something scummy… this is news?
Of course he is. See, gay couples have less kids, which will further reduce the catholics numbers… cause most religious people were indoctrinated as kids. The number of adults who willingly become catholic if not raised catholic is tiny in comparison. So they need to keep the gays among them pretending to be straight and having kids for show and proof.
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you guys think disenchantment is a documentary dont you
So he thinks other issues should be focused on, but wastes time addressing this? How is reciting a prayer for a few additional couples taking away from Equality? Seems to me, it helps the issue, no?
Leo does a god job of being Pope, in that he is a centrist. Everyone can have something they agree and disagree with him; that way he is guaranteed to reach a wider audience.
Well, didnt the last pope embraced all of his sheeps?
