The morality of torturing children cause they’re not from the chosen people.
This headline is ANTI SEMETIC! Let me FIX it For YOU! “Palestinian Father TORTURES his Child by Not Talking!” NOW it’s NOT Anti Semetic!
-Governments who Wonder why People are Attacking Synagogues!
anyone attacking synagogues is doing so of their own volition and are ACTUALLY motivated by ACTUAL antisemitism. Israel ≠ Jews as a whole
Exactly, there’s a difference between Jews and Israelis. Attacking synagogues is wrong but AIPAC offices, we can have a conversation about those.
For example, I’m Jewish, but I say “fuck Israel.” Except for my one Israeli cousin who keeps getting arrested for disobeying orders. He and his squad are cool.
What about that Jew who spray painted a swastika onto a synagogue? Or when that Jew yelled out “Kill all Jews” and got a pro Palestine protest shut down, and like 100 of its people arrested. I’m conflicted on how to feel about things like that.
I know one synagogue that was attacked was very explicitly zionist, promoting the killing of Palestinians. I doubt it’s every one, but you can’t really be that mad when you’re promoting murdering people for people to want to murder you. This isn’t exactly justification, but it is an example of reaping what you sow, which the Torah does warn about.
It’s quite literally 85-90% of jews though. If nine out of ten people want a genocide it should leave little room for debate. They are also using Synagogues to sell stolen land and hold donor parties and campaign parties, using the religious institution as a shield from seeing criticism.
You’re the second person to say some crazy number like that, without any supporting evidence. I don’t think you’re right. In the US, it’s only 1/3 of jews. Whatever the number is, it’s way too high, but it isn’t that high.
Not exactly unbiased sources. Also, the first one doesn’t quite say the same thing. It says the US should support Israel. The second source is exicitlt from a group who’s goal is to say that jews are all aligned on the idea of supporting Zionism. I don’t trust that one at all. You don’t get an unbiased poll from a group that is explicitly trying to show everyone agrees. They don’t align with the responses from the poll I cited either.
Israel and its acolytes “don’t help” by keeping repeating it’s their biblical right. This results in a unilateral meaning and use of the term “anti-Semitism”.
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Who stated so?
they do.
"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’
read a book, it might help you understand
“Who does…?”
“They do…”
There’s always some vague “they”, isn’t there? Yes, it is promotes by some Muslims. It’s not all, or probably even most, and definitely far from it in western nations.
The same way I can say the same about Jews, because the Bible promotes killing in order to take land from people they decide aren’t as deserving, this is bullshit reasoning. You can’t just group all the followers of a religion into one belief. Hell, even the people in the same church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever house will have differences in opinion. Your logic promotes spreading hate targeting the wrong people.
Talk to some people with different opinions sometime. It might help you understand.
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I mean in contemporary times. Not like hindreds or thousands of years ago.
i’m not saying nobody says so. But who justifies war, genocide and land acquisition with biblical/islamic/judaic/… arguments. In this day and age.Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Americans. the list is endless.
Temple Israel
The congregation was founded in 1941 in Detroit,[5] just 60 days before the United States entered World War II, by members who broke away from another congregation since it was insufficiently supportive of Zionism and the creation of a Jewish state.
I’m sure that guy knew what target he has chosen very well. It wasn’t at random.
I’m still shocked the guy didn’t have an Al-Qaeda flag hanging from his rear window and a hoodie with Qur’an quotes like other false flags.
I’m sorry but at this point, I don’t care anymore.
You can call me anti-semetic all you want that term has very little meaning to me now and that’s purely because of the bullshit that Israel is doing to a people that simply can’t defend themselves. The fact that Israel is committing the SAME bullshit that was committed to them nearly 100 years ago because they feel it’s “their turn” is absolute pure evil.
I can’t stand it. I grew up Catholic but I hate Christianity because of all the bullshit that group has done in the name of God. I can hate the Jews for the same reason. If you’re Jewish and you condemn what your people are doing then great, I respect you for it. Just like I can respect Christians that speak out against the bullshit they’ve done. But Jewish “settlers” burning homes and attacking people because they feel they’re owed the land? torturing infants and toddlers? Call me an anti-semite. I don’t care.
In US universities, a lot of the student protesters against the genocide in Gaza were jews, they were called anti-semitic terrorists anyway. We’ve seen the same thing in France, where jews students protested but were still called anti-semitic, pro-Hamas, etc.
Going with the confusion is very exactly what Netanyahu and his accomplices want: people mad about what Israel is doing taking on jews, so that Israel supporters can label them all anti-semitic and immediately discard whatever they will say.
Exactly. It’s a cornerstone of Israeli Jewish supremacist nationalism to try to conflate Jewish culture and Israel in the minds of the world.
Calling out judaism the religion as bullshit is totally fine, when people talk about anti-semitism i believe they have in mind racial positions against jewish people
Once a Catholic always a Catholic. Walking away doesn’t absolve your guilt in participating in belief system that has been one of the most violent forces in history. Why’d you even participate in the first place? Aside of proclaiming your disdain for the institution anonymously online, what are you doing in real life to stop the spread and influence of your religion? Are you targeting Catholics in your community? Destroyed any houses of worship or places where they gather. How do I even know you’re a non-practicing Catholic, maybe you look like one…
This is what the stupidity of antisemitism looks like. It ignores any subtleties or nuance in the life of an individual and heaps the blame for the actions of some on all, regardless of whether that someone even endorses it or has the capacity to prevent it. Think Joe Jew in Nebraska has any power to stop the Israeli government even if he finds their goals abhorrent? He’s as powerless to stop them as you are.
You’re upset that some in Israel are harming those who can’t defend themselves, including children. Hate crimes don’t require the victim to actually be whatever the perpetrator thinks they are. You endorse blanket antisemitism and you’ll end up with neo-Nazis shooting up places Jews (or people they think are Jews) are located and unprotected, probably get some kids while they’re at it. Turning your rage against anyone that reminds you of who you’re actually upset with is just redirecting your anger to the most convenient target.
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It’s a racist cult sure but burning synagogues is counter productive. Better to lobby for a ban to the abuse these lunatics put their children through.
NOW it’s NOT Anti Semetic!
It’s Semitic 😎.
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This is how I know God doesn’t exist, or is an absolutely colossal tool.
Exactly, have a friend who said “i belive in god, because this world could only be this fucked up on purpose”
I’m in the same camp, if there is a god then they’re into cruelty
Polytheism be like
What do you mean?
Multiple gods into cruelty.
Nah. The argument against that is god gave us free will, otherwise our decisions wouldn’t matter.
Us being fucked up isn’t god’s fault; it’s ours.
That’s just details explaining it, not an argument against it.
Fuck god. If I could time travel I would go back to whoever came up with the idea and kill them before they talked to anyone about it.
That concept could be a great TV show.
“God” gave Eve freewill and then punished humanity when she used it . Sounds like an asshole to me
This only works up to a point. Many loving parents will say their kids need to make their own experiences, but they will still keep them from sticking their hand into a power outlet. I wouldn’t say the kid’s choices have no meaning because of this.
Also, if this is true, God also gave us our murderous instincts that make us use our “free will” in this way.
i agree with your overall point, but what “murderous instinct”? most people have trouble killing, someone has to condition them to be effective
I was being facetious. The laws of nature make no room for a god. But, you do you. I’m not gonna argue the existence or lack thereof bcz frankly it’s been centuries and it’s an unfalsifiable concept.
He gives people brain aneurysms all the time but chose not to give these fuckers one?
Israel becoming a country was a mistake, if this is the price of it.
they were given one without consent from the indigeneous population.
The people that “gave” them the land, the British, had no right to do it either.
Same shit, different century.
It’s harder to separate Israel from its long term hard right conservative government, it’s like if Bush was president for the last 30 years.
Israel was founded by terror organizations operating in the British Mandate of Palestine. It has been this way for 70 years. This is the consequence of allowing a religious ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.
these monsters worship the devil
https://xcancel.com/i/status/2035653705106657545
they inserted metal rod through the infant leg:
Why did I have to read this
zionists engage in ritual child rape and sacrifice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Tahor
there was one recently who tried to blow the whistle and was unalived shortly afterward:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-856407
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-718741
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
I’m not anti-semitic. This is not about the jewish religon. These specific people in power in the Israel’s government actually practice such satanic evil idology
The original creator of the 40 beheaded babies propaganda lie also tried to hang himself after being caught raping kids
I did not ask for more disturbing stuff but thanks I guess
You’re not against the Jewish people. Just the Elders of Zion and their need to consume Christian baby blood. Good to know.
There’s something worse than Epstein happening here. And if elite well-connected teenage boys are being ritualistically taught to be inhuman child rapists, there are whole sections of society that need excising to curb the rot. It explains a lot.
‘Bottom of darkness’: Children raped in ritual ceremonies expose the horrors
This title though 🙈
Zionists
A fringe cult of a few hundred people.
Please.
And this shit gets upvoted here? This is shameful.
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OK then call it whatever you like. Israel isn’t Jews and Zionists, they are something new and horrible. I say we call them Vogs and Grobblists. It doesn’t change that they torture babies literally, murder innocents, and are committing genocide.
satanic evil idology
Please leave that 80s satanic panic bullshit in the past where it belongs.
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One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.V
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.You don’t need to preface it with “I’m not antisemitic”, no one cares. It’s the least important part of this whole thing
Fuck those holes in BOTH calfs of the baby.
Keep bombing them Iran.
Listening to him cry is devastating. They are absolutely scum and sub human Nazis
Every politician in the west not calling this out is evil and a liar.
They will have to do better than one fake article with an AI generated image.
The image is from an older attack (Oct 2025, after the “ceasefire”) and is likely not AI:
- https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chris-hughes-gaza-slaughter-least-36153799
- https://www.irishstar.com/news/world-news/gallery/12-harrowing-images-show-devastation-36152173
The images of this story are these ones. There was also a video interview of the mother somewhere.
But yes, the article from www.aa.com.tr is shit
Both are Turkish sources. I’m reminded of when the daughter of the US Ambassador to Kuwait perjured herself before congress claiming to be a nurse and having witnessed Iraqi solders rip babies out of hospital ventilators as justification for the first Gulf War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
This story is rage bait.
I remember that story, but you’ve reversed the attribution. It was the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US.
That’s correct. The cited source makes your point too. My error.
“Everything I don’t like is AI”
The real problem with AI isn’t that you can make up fake things. It’s that real things can be hand waved as fake.
There’s more than one problem with AI
Here
Who are “they”?
Are “they” here with you right now?
“They” is a pronoun, pronouns always refer to the last subject.
In this case, “they” would refer to whomever wrote the article and provided the images
Now you know! …and knowing is half the battle
turkey, who wrote the article
I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism. ISIS mirrors Zionism to the tee btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their idology. Does ISIS have the right to exist??So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.
Isis was paid by Israel and armed by the US
As an ex-muslim. I’d like to correct you that everything that ISIS did is mentioned in Quran and is actually a valid interpretation. In fact, a lot of it is mentioned directly by hadith and verses in the quran. Hence why you will never hear any religious institution calling them “kuffar” or people who have strayed and adopted a false supremacist view. They just really can’t do that because everything ISIS did can, and is justified by the quran and hadith.
However, that is NOT to be taken in an islamaphobic way. The majority of the muslim population have no idea about this, as was I when I was still muslim. Simply because we don’t get taught in schools about it. Islam is a cancer, it has the potential to be used to justify horrible atrocities because the quran and hadith contain so much shit like this. Just like any religion really, but it also happens to be overrun by extremists who spread their extremist views.
Pretty sure that’s this is religion as a whole, even buddihist texts/guidance somehow call for violence.
Isis was armed and paid by Israel. Religions are theaters of the class war, not ennemies in themselves
Religions are tools to control the masses and yes the rich use them for this purpose. Thus it should eventually be dismantled if possible, or restrained at least. Because when religious institutions have too much power and influence we can agree that nothing good happens out of it.
No one cares too much about what their book says. We dont care if someone said they follow the Satanic Temple; however we judge them on what they actually do. Zionism is a genocidal settler-colonial cult idology, and its followers inflect evil inhumanity and injustice and pain violating every humanright and crime in international laws, and any interpretation of humans moral norms…
So quran says, in order to be a muslim, you have to kill other muslims?
Dude, how can you get this conclusion from what I said? Or is this a strawman or what?
As I said, the definition of “muslim” differs by interpretation because like any other religion, people interpret the text differently. Shia muslims say that they are right. Sunnis think they are right, and within each there is more and more denominations that think they are right and none but them. There is so much infighting between them it makes leftist-infighting look like child’s play.
So yes. One of the interpretations, adopted by ISIS, says that these muslims are considered kuffar (people who have rejected god), because they did not seek to learn about their religion and establish the rules that Allah commanded. Even if they were ignorant about their religion, it doesnt matter, they should have learned as it’s their duty as muslims. Thus, it is okay to kill them (Cuz yes, the quran is okay with killing and enslaving non-muslims, in fact it explicitly encourages it.) So this is how they justify killing them.
Obviously this is the niche explanation of ISIS. Not mainstream islamic interpretations.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Quran defines muslims as people who believe in oness of Allah and Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah.
Quran is very explicit about this terminology. The part of the quran revealed in Madinah (first islamic state), tackles this question of people who say they are muslim but do not act like it. They are called munafiqs (not kuffar), in fact this is the biggest topic of madni quran.
So when you say that actions of ISIS are from quran, that is categorically wrong.
That’s my whole point. Which is very very apparent if a non-muslim were to read it without an anti-muslim agenda.
I don’t even wanna go into your other false claims cuz the internet is literally filled of their refutations if anyone want to look into that those topics.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Everything ISIS did is a valid interpretation of quran and hadith. Sunni muslims use two sources to make rulings, one is the qur’an and the second is hadith. Because the atrocities are countless, let’s talk about two things they did often:
- Ensalevement of women: The quran explicitly mentions this as Malakat Al-Yamin, it talks about it in regards to islamic laws of marriage and who men are allowed to have sex with, saying that men are allowed to sleep with their wives and those whom they own (Aw Ma Malakat Aymanokom).
Slavery, as you see, is permitted in islam and is mentioned countless times in the quran itself. You can look up the verse I mentioned.
Not only that, it is also supported by hadith in multiple Sahih hadith (which is the highest degree of trust in a hadith being correct and traced back to the time of Muhammed by muslim scholars).
The first hadith talks about his wife Safiyyah Bint Huyayy. She was enslaved during the battle of Khaybar, taken at first by Dihyah Al-Kalby. Muhammed then heard about her beauty and status and decided to take her for himself. I would also like to mention by the way, that she lost her husband and father that day, killed in the battle. She was then taken by Muhammed as a slave, and he slept with her on their way back that night. Not even 24 hours after the death of her father and her husband.
So yes. Muhammed himself partook in slavery.
Another one was about Aayisha and how she set one of her slaves free, then told Muhammed about it. His own response was “Had you given her to one of your uncles would have been of higher reward to you from Allah.” I don’t remember the hadith verbatim, but it’s along those lines. Again, I encourage you to look this up.
- Mass killings:
Verse 4 from Surat Muhammed justifies this by telling those who believe in god that: “if they ever meet anyone who is a non-believer they should hit their necks [with their swords] until they kill a large number of them, then take the rest as prisoners of war, until the war ends, and if god wanted he’d win this war…etc (Look up the verse).”
As for the difference between Makkah quran and the quran of Madina, you will find a great shift of tone from the “peaceful co-existence” tone in Makkah quran, to talking about Munaffiqeen and fighting kuffar in Madina Quran. The difference is crazy that the verses contradict one another. Especially verses in surat Al-Tawbah. Scholars solve this problem of contradictions by saying that the latter surahs and verses (and even hadiths in some cases!) essentially override the early verses (Something called Naskh).
So yes.The actions of ISIS can be justified from the Quran and Hadith. I am also willing to argue that this was the way of life of Muhammed and his Sahabah 1400 years ago. A life of war, genocide, and enslavement, as is supported by countless Hadiths and verses from the quran, of which I only told you very few lol.
Now, again I would like to stress. The fact that they do this against other muslims as well by saying they are kaffir, is as I said, not the mainstream view. In fact, most muslim sheikhs and scholars throughout history took the idea of calling a mulsim kafir as taboo. Because they believed only Allah was allowed to say that about someone. The reason is that by saying someone is kaffir you are essentially saying they are going to hell. Thus, making a ruling that only Allah is allowed to make.
So only minority groups of muslims like ISIS do such thing, while even large institutions like Al-Azhar in Egypt and other muslim institutions refrain from using that language against ISIS.
… just like christianity, or pretty much any religion (did you hear about the buddhist terrorists?)
No, this is the Jewish religion. They believe you do not have a divine soul, you are inherently lesser, you will be a slave to them when their messiah returns, and if you read about any of their heinous beliefs in the Talmud you should be killed. This is the consequence of allowing a religous ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.
it is as much jewish as trump is christian
Hey speaking of. Have you ever wonder why he wouldn’t shave his sideburns and slicks them back, or why many staffers came out in 2019 and said he converted to Judaism with his daughter.
Israelis get unlimited privilages from Zionism even if they were atheists and dont believe shit on the inside; They get to basically kill people and steal their free homes without accountability under Israel’s aparthied judiciary, they get richer from land theft, and occupation, and survaliance control, and aparthied enslavement of Palestinians, and wars on neighboring countriea, and when they spend $250 millions bribing US congress, they get $15 billions back.
It’s an ethnic religion. Even the atheist jews are included in end time prophecy where jews will rule the world with all of us as slaves. Of course they benefit from genocide and expansion of a jewish state and bribing, lobbying, or blackmailing politicians in the world’s strongest country to support them.
He’s not doing this shit because he’s Jewish you elder protocol schmuck. It’s because Israel is a convenient attack dog for the US in the middle east. And probably because Mossad has heinous shit on him.
At this point it could be both. Trump fucked his soul up so much he converted to a religion that doesn’t have hell and he is being blackmailed to unconditionally support jews.
Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that ISIS is in fact, the IDF. ?
False flag operation.
There is not.
Weird how ISIS only targets other Muslims.
Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.
Paris and Brussels would like a word.
Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.
Not really. Islam has a lot of denominations and interpretations of the quran. ISIS justify killing of other muslims as that these muslims are “kuffar” because they have not actively implemented the teachings of Allah and are silent and complicit in not implementing sharia law.
Some denominations would say that those muslim people are ignorant and so there’s no blame to be put on them. ISIS’s sees that ignorance is not an execuse because in their opinion it is every muslim’s duty to learn their religion, and that if they did, they’d see that they must implement sharia law.
They have very strict laws about murder and violence in their holy book.
Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.
Israel has been way over the line for a while.
If we allow them, Team Trump, and the rest of the greed first lobby to continue, i can only hope for total and complete nuclear destruction.
Israel and USA have led by example and demonstrated what the world needs to do - targeted assassinations.
I mean we’ve been allowing this shit to happen all over the world, and worse – it’s just not in the news because news about israel gets more clicks
Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.
I think it already decided and the decision was that this is fine.
Humanity needs to decide what level of barbarism we will collectively tolerate.
Historically, the bar has been set extraordinarily low. But that’s largely based on the question of informed consent. Articles like this aren’t going to show up on FOX or ABC or CBS, so long as the people perpetrating the crimes are Israeli. By contrast, if an Iranian or Russian or Chinese or <insert scary country here> police force engaged in such an act, it would be held up as an excuse for carpet bombing their power plants and assassinating their university professors.
If we allow them
We aren’t in a position to allow or disallow without a large scale mobilization of labor. Even then, a lot of what you’re talking about begins with boring bureaucratic shit like petitions and marches. The violence doesn’t just go away because some pollster can show a broad public disgust (for - again - events the major Western media isn’t interested in covering).
Without assess to mass media, the public remains broadly uninformed and disinterested. Without a mobilized labor movement, there is no organizational support for individual dissent.
Even when such things do exist (Italian and Spanish citizens have been at the forefront of the BDS movement), there are countervailing forces among the plutocracy that obstruct material change.
The belief that you can unilaterally or rapidly affect sweeping international policy changes - that you are some Great Man of History who has volunteered to be apathetic - is going to drive you insane, if you let it.
Unfortunately the strongest lobbies seem to decide what is doable, not humanity at large
There needs to be a better way to enforce geneva conventions and UN resolutions for countries at the top. Otherwise they’ll only bring them up when it’s convenient for them.
It was always class war
The fact that people aren’t talking about sudan and Myanmar where worse happens is telling, but this has better video coverage.
Why would Hamas do this…?!? /s
‘The most moral army’ my arse.
It was only ever terrorist propaganda
soulless fucks
Ladies and Gentlemen, the “most moral army in the World” fully showing their “Western values”.
Damn it… They’re even worse than Hitler’s methods.
Mengele surgically attached children to each other to recreate “Siamese twins”. He removed the eyes of a twin and implanted them into their sibling. He injected Typhoid bacteria into small children and opened their skulls without anesthesia.
The IOF is a gaggle of genocidal maniacs. They torture, maim and kill. They are not worse than Nazi Germany. Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.
Little of what humans have done on this earth is worse than Nazi Germany.
Maybe you should have a look into the Japanese “operations” in occupied China, then.
This is no competition and you don’t need to make it one
It’s not but the one they’re replying too is trying to make it one to downplay how terrible Isreal is behaving
No, that’s just plain wrong
Correct, though splitting hairs… Japan and Germany were both part of the axis.
Unit 831 and the KZ Experiments are on the same level.
I’m not convinced we won’t hear about similar done in Israel. If they had any scientific incentive to do so, I have little doubt they would be willing to.
Dude was obsessed with twins.
He also once delivered a baby and lobbed it from the birthing bed into an incinerator, still alive, with the mother in the room.
A news Site controlled by the turkish goverment. Are there any better sources on this topic?
Might be somewhat better, would be hard to get an early coverage of such a thing in the mainstream media. All of this is also based on interviews with the eye-witnesses although there are claims of confirmation by medical reports. There are also videos of the child with clear puncture etc wounds, which looks like human inflicted.
Yeah like the BBC or CNN or DW 😅
BBC and DW do great work
If you can understand Arabic the father gave an interview and it’s on YouTube and X.
It’s just splendid that world gets to watch a genocidal colonial settler project akin to what European colonial powers were up to two hundred years ago all because Britain promised land to a group of people one hundred years ago. For an empire that loved beuraucracy how were they such absolute shit at drawing borders? I mean we know they believed in a global race based caste system (they believed white people were born superior) and were antisemitic enough to be excited at the prospect of Jewish people leaving their country but how do you fuck up the world this bad? Major skill issue in my opinion.
Blaming Israel’s current shittiness on some lines we drew in the sand 70 odd years ago is a bit weak mate.
We aren’t telling them to torture kids or bomb civilians, they’re doing that all on their own.
America is not only not telling them no, we’re selling them the weapons to do it with
I agree, except we are talking about the UK
To be fair, they were doing it when those lines were drawn (in a different location, because they expanded their territory through war) too. The lines just gave them legitimacy. They started colonizing before the lines were made, and we’re in conflict fighting the locals then. It obviously wasn’t the scale it is today, but the whole project is propagated through conflict.
You’re right though legitimacy is everything when it comes to how we preceive who lives where. One has to wonder how legitimacy slowly becomes tacit approval for genocide though.
Britain and their drawing of lines in the sand is absolutely responsible for plenty of the shittiness we see around us in the world today. Total coward power move by Britain to try and weasel out of all of the trouble their colonialism has caused.
Without the Balfour declaration we would not have had the Zionist colonial settling of mandatory Palestine. The local Arabs fought for their freedom from the Ottoman empire during WW2 and were double crossed by the British who wanted the land for themselves and a little bit for the French for some reason. The British know more than anyone how the process of colonialism works being the best in the world at it. They were also aware how viciously settler colonials tend to treat the native people when settling a new land, they just didn’t care because they had their own greedy motivations.
Britain had a huge part to play in stoking tensions between the local Palestinian communities and the newly arrived settler Jews using their time honoured “divide and conquer” strategy.
Britain and their colonial fuckery is a huge part of the Israel story.
I don’t dispute any of that
But I will repeat, we aren’t making them commit war crimes.
If we zoom out and look at the bigger picture, Israel would not exist as it does today without Britain’s steadfast backing.
The empire’s successor (America) has provided similarly unwavering support.
Throughout most of my lifetime I have watched Western countries (mostly vassals of the US) turn a blind eye to genocide in Gaza.
More recently the double standards have become most apparent with the war in Ukraine. Western nations took the diplomatic approach of wagging their finger at nations maintaining relations with Russia while asking “have you thought what this will do to your credibility?”
All while giving their full throated support to Israel for most of the past 50 years and before that. Any thought to how that affects your credibility?
These are the double standards that slowly rot away the foundations of civilization.
Imperialism bad if it’s being done to me, ok if we are doing it to someone else. Surely we can be more sophisticated than that.
“Some lines” - what a dismissive way to put it. A British child rapist (Louis Mountbatten, great uncle of present day child rapist former prince Andrew) haphazardly drew a border in South Asia which led to the largest forced migration in human history and two million deaths. The idea that lines don’t mean anything speaks to an abysmal state of history education. There are libraries of work commenting on how the lines drawn by colonial powers in Africa, the Middle East and South Asia contribute to ongoing conflicts in these regions.
they’re doing that all on their own.
no, they are doing it with our governments help.
If you’re American this is some hilarious projection, btw America is funding all of this
Oh America is as if not more accountable.
I decided to focus on where this started. It’s well known that America is the successor of the British empire. There was a massive transfer of wealth or colonial loot that occurred when the Nazis absolutely decimated Britain, as the Brits spent essentially all of their savings on weapons purchases from America.
America acquired two thirds of the worlds gold through world war II which allowed it to subsequently establish the Breton Woods system, kicking off its past 75 years of empire.
there’s a lot wrong with this comment. Israel was created as the league of nations pressured Britain Into creating a home for the Jewish populations displaced after the wars. other counties weren’t happy to take that population and the Jews themselves wanted to return to what they saw as they’re homeland. after WW1 Britain pledged support for their right to a nation and offered to help set that up but it wasn’t until 1947 when the united nations voted for their partition plan that it was decided to decide the land up into separate Arab and Jewish states. the Jews agreed, the arabs didn’t, and when in 1948 Israel declared independence (a joke I know considering their need for American support has never wanted) they and the Arab states were immediately in opposition and have been ever since. blame Britain and white people lol you want but actually they were wonky ever trying to help a people displaced by terrible persecution and who were unwanted by the rest of the world. it seems they still are, so maybe they have a point about that persecution…
Your history isn’t exactly right. While it is the popular reasoning, the plan is older than the war itself, so the logic doesn’t really make sense. It also started before the war ended, so the timing doesn’t line up either. They also started colonizing before the League of Nations decides on that plan, which forced their hand.
It’s all a whole lot murkier, messy, and bad than the version you gave.
the years of these events are historical facts, not sure what debate there is. nothing happens in a vacuum though and one thing leads to another etc. perhaps you’d like to show me sources for how I’m wrong? Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites, is that the colonising you are refering to? as I’m not sure that buzzword applies here
They are historic fact, as in they’re older than what you said. Here’s a Wikipedia page that has more information. Check out “Background”. Notice the date of the letter talking about “the zionist project” is 1902. Even in 1896 he talking about them colonizing Palestine. That’s well before the war. This plan was being set up, and enacted, far before what you said.
Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites
Dude, the people that ended up calling themselves jews and the other people from the region come from the same people. Judaism comes from religions in the area. No one was there before anyone else, because they’re the same people. Canaanites is just a made up term that the jews used to refer to everyone else, so they could tell stories about how they were better, but they’re all literally the same people. Jews didn’t magically appear as a distinct group. Israelites of the time literally are Canaanites.
Anyway, those are not the people moving there. They’re European Jews mostly. Sure, they share some genes with those early people, but far less than the people who literally still lived there. If you want to argue they have some cultural claim somehow, then what they hell do you even measure? They’re all coming from literally the same group of people and the same culture. If your claim is that the term “Jew” is older than the term “Muslim” then I guess you can make that argument, but it’d be a really dumb one.
Muslims are literally from the same group. They follow the same god and have the same holy book (with some new ones). El (hence Elohim, which interestingly is plural) is also the god they both come from, which is where the name Israel comes from, being the land of the people who follow El. They all follow (what was formerly known as) El, although it’s been mixed with other local gods too. Notably neither Jews nor Muslims follow what could be reasonably identified as El, so neither of them have any nominal claim to Israel. Maybe there are still some small local groups who do, in which case Israel, by name, is theirs.
again, you’re rambling. is your point that everyone is one people? because im not sure anyone would agree with that. how you can claim that two religions whose inceptions are thousands of years apart are the same just because the same god was coopted for the later religions, or ignore the differing cultures etc. but whatever, you do you.
Ah, yes. Giving historical context is rambling.
is your point that everyone is one people?
No? You said Jews have some kind of claim over the land. If they do, the native people have an even stronger one. Everyone isn’t one people. The people in the region are from one group (which we often call the Canaanites), which the Jews of the period are also a part of. None of them have any special claim to the land. Just because someone’s super special book tells them that they are chosen by the super cool guy in the sky doesn’t actually give them any legitimate claim. If you want to discuss it with people who don’t believe in fairy tales, you need something stronger. Since they’re the same group of people they all have equal historic claim.
how you can claim that two religions whose inceptions are thousands of years apart…
OK, you apparently don’t know anything about Islam or Christianity. That’s fine. They aren’t incepted thousands of years apart. They’re the same continuity. The prophets in the Jewish faith are also in the Christian faith, plus some extras. The prophets in the Christian faith are also in the Muslim faith, plus some extras. They’re from the same inception. Jews just don’t believe all the stuff of the other faiths past a certain point.
For example, if you stop following Marvel movies after Iron Man 2 or something, but someone else follows ones that came after, it doesn’t mean their understanding was incepted later. They just kept adding stuff. They’re all Marvel movies. They don’t become not Marvel movies because you stopped watching.
… or ignore the differing cultures…
That’s exactly my point. The Jewish culture has diverged from the one they had when living in that region, as has the people who still live their. How do the Jewish people have a stronger claim despite their culture diverging when they didn’t even live there anymore? If it’s a claim by culture, the people who still live there have a stronger claim.
… but whatever, you do you.
You don’t get to just spread lies and propoganda, then say “whatever” when it’s pointed out you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Try to educate yourself. Maybe you can not make the same mistake again, instead of just saying “whatever” as if you weren’t wrong. Growth is a virtue, not a vice. You need to be able to admit mistake in order to grow.
“Funny” you should bring up 1948 specifically.
What specific event happened in that year?
Ah, yes. “Israel declared independence” … right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
"Initially on the defensive, the Zionist forces switched to the offensive in April 1948.[20][21] In anticipation of an invasion by Arab armies,[22] they enacted Plan Dalet, an operation aimed at securing territory for the establishment of a Jewish state.[23]
The second phase of the war began on 14 May 1948, with the declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel and the termination of the British Mandate at midnight. The following morning, the surrounding Arab armies invaded Palestine, beginning the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The Egyptians advanced in the south-east while the Jordanian Arab Legion and Iraqi forces captured the central highlands. Syria and Lebanon fought against the Israeli forces in the north. The newly formed Israel Defense Forces managed to halt the Arab forces and in the following months began pushing them back and capturing territory."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_War
but I guess that’s Israel’s fault too right?
“The 1948 Palestine war[b] (30 November 1947 – 10 March 1949) was fought in the territory of what had been, at the start of the war, British-ruled Mandatory Palestine.[16] It began as a civil war between the Arab and Jewish communities following the United Nations Partition Plan and became an international conflict with the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel,[c] the termination of the British mandate, and the entry of the armies of neighbouring Arab states into Palestine. During the war, Zionist forces[d] conquered about 78% of the former territory of the mandate causing the expulsion and flight of over 700,000 Palestinians.”
No, that one’s on the british for deciding to divvy up land that wasn’t theirs.
“Although the Jewish Agency accepted the partition plan, it did not accept the proposed borders as final and Israel’s declaration of independence avoided the mention of any boundaries. A state in part of Palestine was seen as a stage towards a larger state when opportunity allowed. Although the borders were ‘bad from a military and political point of view,’ Ben Gurion urged fellow Jews to accept the UN Partition Plan, pointing out that arrangements are never final, ‘not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements’. The idea of partition being a temporary expedient dated back to the Peel Partition proposal of 1937. When the Zionist Congress had rejected partition on the grounds that the Jews had an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, Ben Gurion had argued in favour of acceptance, 'I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.”
I take issue with the MEANS by which the state of israel invaded, and the fact the state agreed with the original plan with the undeniable intent to further invade.
And with Israel’s continued actions after the UN agreed to give israel more than half of Palestinian land
I think you make a great point about the means Israel uses.
I think they have a right to defend themselves when attacked but it does seem that every time they step so far past the acceptable that the results are truly horrific, the current genocide is evil incarnate.
I didn’t know about the peel partition proposal, thank you for enlightening me. every time I read the words of Ben gurion I’m slightly astounded, such duplicity, and that is has so much support is mind boggling to me.
just shows that the peace process has always been a cover for their plans, I mean he states it plainly. wild that they have always had so much support from the west , I’ve never understood western Christians support tbh.
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now I’m a genocidal piece of shit? because I point out that antisemitism exists in islam?
also why do you keep deleting all these lovely messages you’re sending me? ashamed?
Ah yes jews are the victims
