Example:
USA 美国 - 美 mean “beautiful” and 国 is “country”
So when my mom told me we were going to move to 美国, I, having never heard of anything about this country ever before, already had a positive impression of this “beautiful country”.
France 法国 - 法 is one of the characters in 法律, law, so my first impression was, that these people probably have very strict rules and are law abiders
Britain/UK 英国 - 英 is one of the characters in 英雄, hero, so I just imagine British people like to help the innocent (this was before I learned about British colonialism lol, but I guess the 英 character still sort of partly relevent, as in they view themselves as “hero”, aka: they interfere with other’s countries bussiness a lot)
Germany 德国 - 德 is one of the characters in 道德, morality, so I had a subconcious belief they were very moral people. I didn’t even know about the holocaust yet. 💀
Mexico 墨西哥 - 墨 is ink, 哥 is brother, so I though these are dark-skinned people that value brotherhood, masculinity.
South Korea 韩国 - 韩 sounds like 寒, so I just assumed it was a very cold country (isn’t it tho?) Oh BTW, I was in South Korea… in the airport waiting for a transfer flight, never actually entered the country for real, that was 15 years go, the closest I’ve ever been to South Korea. Wanna go there someday, see the snow (cuz its a 寒国 “cold country” remember xD)
Japan 日本 - 日 is the sun, so I thought it gets like very sunny or something
These are the few on the top of my head. You can mention any below and I can tell you what my “subconcious feel” about the name is.
From what I read, a lot of these character choices (with the exception of Japan/Korea, they might have chosen those themselves) were made with the dual considerations of being similar sounding to the country name and the hanzi’s meaning being flattering to the people of the country. And there are plenty of country names that are entirely phonetic (e.g. 意大利 for Italy or 澳大利亚 for Australia, Mexico, etc.).
Japan definitely chose it themselves. Before, the country was known as 倭国, with 倭 meaning something like harmonic but also submissive. Obviously one Tennō wasn’t too happy about that and began signing letters to the Chinese court as “from the ruler of the land where the sun rises (日本) to the ruler of the land where the sun sets.” So Japan became the “Land of the rising sun” (well literally it’s the “sun’s origin”).
This is fascinating! Thank you for posting
The Netherlands (荷蘭), obviously is something with flowers. Google translate tells me 蘭 means “orchid”. Also the sound “Hèlán” is fairly close to how the natives pronounce “Nederland”.
‘Holland’ as some use for ‘the Netherlands’ is a bit of a pars pro toto as Holland is a province of the Netherlands. Is just the most well known part, and more easier pronounce with one/two syllables (depending on how well you’re articulating).
Thanks for the etymology btw I was curious about it when I read the op.
This is also a huge problem when deciding how to write foreign names into Chinese: imagine the difference in public perspective when reading a news article about some country leader named “Prime Minister Sleepy Swamp Pit” vs “Prime Minister Strong Universe Zephyr” or whatever.
I Remember a decade ago i read a post on blogpost on exactly this
I wasted thirty minutes to search but I didn’t find it, but it was something like Michael Jackson was shocked to learn during his First tour in mainland china that the locals gave him the Hanzi 迈克尔·杰克逊 where the last character means “inferior” or something like that, instead in Taiwan the locals chose 麦可·杰克森 which has a better meaning.
When I studied Chinese our teachers basically took the first two letters of every student’s first & last names and associated it with pinyin & corresponding Chinese characters. So my Chinese name became Horse Angel.
Glorious Leader Tiny Sweat Hands
I mean the Mexico one doesn’t sound too terribly far off from reality lol. Neither does Britain, with the the last sentence especially.
In all seriousness, this is a very interesting post. It’s very cool to see what other languages call other countries and what it means.
Also there’s 非洲 - meaning the “non-continent” directly translated. It’s what they’ve named Africa.
Interestingly I’ve heard Japan called “the land of the rising sun” due to being one of the farthest east on the Mercator projection which despite its few features and many flaws is often considered the standard of map projections.
The characters for Japan literally mean sun and origin. And has been in use since the 8th century. So the Mercator projection has nothing to do with that. The origin of “land of the rising sun” is because Japan is East of China and the sun rises in the east.
For sure, and the Pacific Ocean is vast. So you go East and find Japan, and then for a long time it’s understood that there’s nothing off Japan’s east coast, and they’re the eastern edge of the world. So they’re the land of the rising sun. Seems fair!
We do call it that in German as well, I mean, not colloquially, but it’s used in literature or poetry.
There are Mercator projection maps with the Americas in the center and Japan on the left edge of the map.
Most maps, regardless of projection used, cut the world through the pacific because there’s barely any land. World maps centering the Americas cut through Central Asia, making them less practical for many applications.
All map projections try to flatten a curved surface. That only works with cuts and distortions. They are all trade-offs between conserving area, angles, shapes, distances. It’s impossible to to all of that.
Better than “dipshit”.
Most of those do make sense from a 19th century or older viewpoint, so I suspect that it’s not just a coincidence that those words were linked to those countries. If it was only one or a few with an ulterior meaning, then I could believe it to be a coincidence, but it’s most of them. I more believe that there were chinese word artists at work who looked for words with both a fitting meaning and the right sound.
When it comes to nature, the USA is a really beautiful country. France gave the world the Code Napoléon, which is one of the most influential evolutions in law systems. Britain’s success in it’s colonies and in the industrial revolution was very often based on the endeavours of individuals, ie heroes. Northern Germans are sticklers for following rules, politeness etc (which was back then viewed very positively by others, but has since become a bit tainted because an attitude of the law is the law will often lead to inhumanity). Mexico: not a clue. Korea: I just have vague guesses. Japan, when seen from northern China, is where the sun rises.
Interesting. In Japanese, we have the concept of ateji, where we just put Chinese characters for the sound so we just know not to take the meanings so literally. But we do tend to pick nice or neutral-sounding characters. i.e. we wouldn’t use characters like 死 or 糞 for the sound lol. This is the same for peoples’ names.
If you can separate out the politics, America really is a beautiful country. So is China, I’ve been to both. Everyone should see both at least once.
I’ma hold off till yalls stop it with the outrageous political tourist vetting.
A couple points that media routinely skips right past because the current drama is great for clicks and views.
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The current “escalation” of immigration hostility is only slightly more aggressive than it’s always been. Not counting the performative stunts ICE is doing in cities and neighborhoods, those are also just isolated cases that most people will never see in person, even ones who live in areas that have news reports showing fires and riots and standoffs… these kinds of things are happening in areas like, one square block at the most. Not downplaying it, but I do want people to have an accurate perspective.
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And that percentage of bad cases and horror stories against tourists is very, very small to begin with. At least compared to the HUGE number of people flowing in and out of the country every hour. This is why the whole spectacle being played out by this administration is so ludicrous and pointless. More people were still deported under Biden. More people still stay in the country illegally just by overstaying their permits or travel visas. Most will never be caught or prosecuted.
I’m not a Trump fan. Any review of my socials will reveal some pretty ‘strident criticism’. Do you still recommend I chance losing 5k to 10k of bookings and weeks of leave on the chance I’ll get detained and deported?
I already cancelled my Hawaii trip in Feb and my trip to Miami in April.
Nah fam you should probably wait until Trump dies, which won’t be much longer.
My point was only that a lot of the news is a little hyperbolic, you should check other sources to see exactly what people in your situation are facing, I ain’t passing out financial or travel advice, just providing perspective.
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Interesting, Japan does a similar thing I think and the US is 米国 meaning rice country. Which sort of makes sense since the US has always had a huge agricultural / grain surplus. I wonder if the japanese think / know we’re fat because of the name.
Also england/ UK is the same 英国 as above so maybe they learned about them from the Chinese whereas they independently learned about the US and gave it a different name.
Which sort of makes sense since the US has always had a huge agricultural / grain surplus.
米国 is because of ateji, not agriculture. 米 is the second character of 亜米利加 – an old transliteration of “a-me-ri-ka” as kanji. 亜 is the shorthand for Asia (亜細亜); the second character 米 is used as the shorthand for America. 米 is both the country (USA) and the continents – e.g. 北米 and 南米 are sometimes used for North and South America, respectively, while 米軍 is the US military.
Katakana has mostly replaced kanji transliteration of foreign words in modern Japanese, but some uses like the 米 shorthand persist.
米 is the second character of 亜米利加
I wonder why it became beikoku instead of mekoku when it got shortened to 米国. I’m glad language learners at least don’t have to deal with ateji anymore. What a nightmare.
I think and the US is 米国 meaning rice country.
Lmfao, pretty sure that’s also the Chinese Nationalists’ internet term for it
Do Switzerland!
Literally my mind just go straight to 瑞士糖 (the first 2 characters, 瑞士, is Switzerland), so a place with a lot of candy
Nice. The Chinese were on point with the naming. One sign is even a cross!
YouTube Video on this topic with some more details. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uzqOWFlJOA
Kind of ironic that we named the western countries with nice words and got invaded instead
美國 can be very 美, politics aside
Time Square and the surrounding area is cool, although it make me anxious as fuck since I’m an introvert and because 嗰時咁細個喺外國，英語當時亦唔係幾好, so I kinda have to stay very close to 父母 to feel safe, but its just amazing how so many people can fit in such a tiny island (Manhattan, that is)
唐人街 in 曼克頓 is a reminder that I’m not alone is this place, last I checked, there are 5 Million of us here, it’s always a good reality check when faced with the constant news of political problems and the government constantly threatening to deport people.
My mom always said “唔洗怕，如果係排華唔會淨係趕你一個人” (You won’t be the only one to be deported, we’d all be together) lmao
I remember 啱啱來到美國嗰時 we’d use the subway a lot, but when we cross from Booklyn, where we lived, to Manhattan, the subway goes above ground to cross the water separating the two 區 on a bridge. That was the coolest scenes, just crossing the bridge, looking outside of the window of the subway. This place is so big.
I remember in 廣州, 住喺嗰啲樓，the apartment unit was 好窄好邋遢
嗰時喺布碌崙租嘅個間單位 (its a townhouse in suburban area, not a apartment building)，雖然亦係覺得好窄，但係覺得好似比較新，現代，like… it’s just 睇落去好好多，睇落去順眼 know what I mean?
There are just so many cool places like there’s 好多公園 and 好多樹 where 廣州到冇咁多 greenery，空氣冇咁好
It really is a beautiful country, but then you have these politicians trying to ruin it… and also um… 你知啦… foreign policy… 👀
I really like the way you wrote this comment with the languages intermingled, with a touch of translation and the rest left to context.
That’s just an average Hongkonger message lol
Interesting post, thanks for sharing
