cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/إسلام/p/1262928/saudi-arabia-reassures-lgbtq-visitors-ahead-of-2034-world-cup
Saudi Arabia is attempting to reassure LGBTQ+ visitors ahead of hosting the 2034 World Cup, even though homosexuality remains criminalised.
Admiral Ackbar, what’s the verdict?
Why do people, especially Americans, talk and behave like they are less violent than Arabs or Muslims? Both liberals and republicans still do that, and it looks really bad, because the truth is, you’re more likely to die in the USA than a place like Saudi Arabia, even if you are gay. It’s so easy to prove it, I don’t understand why are people still falling for Jeffrey Epstein Class propaganda that keeps us divided for nonsensical bullshit.
Can Saudi Arabia sentence someone to death for homosexual acts? Yes.
Do they routinely execute people just for being gay? No. It is not a routine occurrence. The death penalty is more often associated with cases involving additional charges, such as rape or other serious crimes. I am not excusing them, nor justifying them, I think the law and culture need to change, but doing it with bombs and bullets will never work, it makes it worse, actually.
You’re more likely to die in the USA than Saudi Arabia if you compare their homicide rates:
- Saudi Arabia - 285 deaths in 2019; rate of 0.935, which means “0.935 people die per every 100,000 inhabitants.”
- The USA - 19,796 deaths in 2023; rate of 5.76.
Just to give you an idea, the USA is closer to being like Mexico, Russia or Zimbabwe regarding violence. If you sort them by count, Mexico is top #4 while the USA is top #6 in the entire world. The jump in Count is massive, but still, both countries lose over 20,000+ people to homicides yearly. Compare it to other rich countries like China, Russia, India, Indonesia or the UK for the sake of comparison:
- Mexico - 32,252 deaths in 2023; rate of 24.859.
- China - 7,157 deaths in 2020; rate of 0.502.
- Russia - 11,327 deaths in 2021; rate of 6.765.
- India - 40,130 deaths in 2022; rate of 2.815.
- Indonesia - 847 deaths in 2022; rate of 0.304.
- UK (England & Wales) - 684 deaths in 2021; rate of 1.148.
If you wonder about the Middle East, here are some examples (and they’ve been heavily bombed/in war with the USA for decades):
- Lebanon - 128 deaths in 2020; rate of 2.245.
- Iran - 1,936 people in 2014; rate of 2.375.
- Iraq - 3,339 deaths in 2013; rate of 9.464.
- Iraq (Central Iraq) - 5,459 deaths in 2021; rate of 15.397.
- Iraq. (Kurdistan Region) - 111 deaths in 2013; rate of 2.246.
- Afghanistan - 1,613 deaths in 2021; rate of 4.032.
- Egypt - 1,360 deaths in 2017; rate of 1.312.
- Yemen - 1,703 deaths in 2013; rate of 5.810.
Btw, Zimbabwe has a rate of 6.75. Americans love to make fun of that place and all the others. They call them “shitholes,” and the way they express themselves about them, is always filled with ire or rancor. Truth is, the USA killed millions of Arabs and Muslims throughout history in the name of “prudeness and morality,” but the one who is actually the trashy, violent immoral piece of shit is the USA, not a single Middle Eastern or Asiatic country which are still growing culturally. Even Japan has the same issues a lot of racist assholes criticize the Middle East for, but they don’t criticize Japan like that, because they’re just fucking stupid and mentally ill. They don’t have the capacity to see the hypocrisy and irony.
In summary, it looks really silly and bad whenever you see a post talking about a Middle East country, and then you see most, if not all the comments, most likely Americans and Europeans, saying how dangerous, how violent, how “retarded” or “barbaric” the country is while the fact is, the USA is much worse. This is the type of American Exceptionalism, Blue MAGA behavior that is still so ingrained and present in all Americans and Europeans, no matter if liberal or conservative. They all dehumanized Arabs and Muslims up to the point they automatically reject them no matter what.
If you still talk shit about the Middle East with superficial shit, like criticizing their issues with Child Abuse, something you don’t criticize Japan with the same passion although both are equally significant problems you can’t fix with bombs or bullets, you’re an imbecile racist and also a terrorist, one worse than Hamas and Hezbollah combined. You’re morally inferior and more abhorrent than those orphaned children seeking justice/vengeance for the parents your taxes killed with a bomb. You refuse to understand their anger because you are morally and emotionally too weak to handle such a heavy toll. You instead take the easy shortcut, which is to be a racist.
You can see cultures around the world like children who are still growing up. All of them had their phases, starting in caves, then tribes that participated in sacrifices and rituals, then became more civilized, participated in bloody wars, all of them still have issues regarding identity and tolerance… If you really think killing Arabs and Muslims, conquering them, erasing them all to replace them with Americans and “American values, culture, traditions” you’re just an idiot. You’re a violent child.
Are you aware that two things can be true at the same time?
I still think it’s more important to deinflate the egos of Americans and Europeans first, because they are causing more harm to the world with their influence than these smaller and oppressed countries like Arab or African ones.
You will always see people that respond like you. “We can do both.” “Both can be true at the same time.” But you never see them believe it, respect it or practice it at all. Just read all the comments in this post. They all treat younger cultures like shit. They rather kill them than let them grow and learn like their own did. They have 0 tolerance.
The level of cognitive dissonance here is astounding
You have to be some special kind of stupid to go to a country where you can get killed for just existing.
Are you taking next worldcup or current?
Next one will be Morocco, Portugal and Spain in 2030. But I share the sentiment of your message :-)
I stand corrected :)
Yes.
The rehabilitation of the country that produced 9/11 is really sickening. I’m disappointed in any American who gives them anything.
America did 9/11 to itself. If they didn’t kill thousands of civilians and innocent people in the name of profit, it’d not have happened.
Who said anything about Israel?
That’s a place to avoid no matter if you are LGBTQ+ or a woman or even a man, some religious zealot might still try to kill you.
I imagine it will be similar to the 2022 world cup in Qatar. No rainbows allowed. People detained or driven to the airport for wearing rainbows.
also woman cant do certain things, like show too much skin.
In Saudi women can’t show anything. They must wear an abaya (head-to-toe black robes) and be accompanied by a male gaurdian (husband, father, son) at all times.
No, I’m not making it up.
Legally, women in Saudi Arabia are no longer required by law to wear a black abaya or cover their hair. The male guardianship requirement for daily public life has been dismantled; women over 21 can legally travel, get passports, live independently, and enter public spaces without a male guardian’s permission or accompaniment.
The historical enforcement of these rules were rooted in a specific interpretation of Sharia (Islamic law), layered heavily over ancient Arabian tribal customs:
- The Concept of Modesty (Haya): In Islamic tradition, modesty is a core spiritual virtue expected of both men and women. In conservative Gulf societies, this was heavily institutionalized into physical concealment for women to prevent Fitnah (temptation or social discord).
- The Concept of Protection (Wilayah): The male guardianship system (Nizam Al-Wilayah) originally evolved out of tribal structures where the desert environment was harsh and inter-tribal warfare was common. Men were expected to physically protect women from vulnerability, harm, or exploitation. Over the generations, the Saudi state codified this protective role into an absolute legal system of control, treating adult women as legal minors for life.
While Saudi culture was always conservative, the absolute, rigid enforcement of the all-black abaya and the strict segregation of the sexes by religious police was actually a political reaction to a specific historical event: The 1979 Grand Mosque Seizure.
In 1979, hardline religious extremists violently seized the Holy Mosque in Mecca, accusing the Saudi royal family of becoming too Westernized and secular. To pacify the religious establishment and maintain political legitimacy, the Saudi government struck a bargain with the ultra-conservative Wahhabi clerics. The state gave the religious police (Mutawa) massive authority to strictly enforce gender segregation, mandatory face coverings, and the head-to-toe black abaya in public.
You sound like a child when you criticize cultural things without context or understanding why they exist in the first place. You always paint them as malicious, as automatically evil or oppressive, but it is always more complex than that. I really hate this side of the Internet, and it will never end, because every year there is a new generation of 12-years old who will repeat the exact same mistakes again and again. They don’t pay attention to History or Algebra either class because they say dumb shit like “why will we ever need this?” And well, this is what happens. We get ignorant people who can easily dehumanize/demonize a whole subset of people.
Like, lowkey, your comment makes it “subconsciously” seem like “Arabs and Muslims are rapists” even if you blame culture, the government or the law, you’re already creating this prejudge that is so harmful, and it only and literally benefits the Jeffrey Epstein Class. It keeps us divided, fighting each other, instead of looking up.
All the cultures in the world have issues with violence, domestic violence, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, child abuse and so on. Some grew quicker than others, thanks to technology, the economy, and more importantly: luck. So, to come here and try to stomp younger cultures because they’re not growing as quick as you want them to, just makes you look like an insane violent unreasonable monster. I am glad you are not a judge or a God. You’d suck as one.
20% of the parliament is women. Beating the US congress.
The guardianship rules doesn’t apply for working and traveling. So any woman over 21 can apply for a passport and leave if they feel like it.
77% of women has a secondary (high school) education and 37% participate in the workforce.
Yes Saudi Arabia has a long freaking way to go, but they’ve been closing the gender gap in recent years.
Womens rights is a theme among several middle eastern countries, I’m naive enough to believe they understand it will benefit society and not done so entirely to befriend Europe
The guardianship rules doesn’t apply for working and traveling.
Oh that makes it better, they only need to be accompanied when going about their daily business. Got it.
any woman over 21 can apply for a passport
So long as they have the permission of their male guardian, the approval of the authorities and they’re not trying to flee with their kids.
77% of women has a secondary (high school) education
Thats not the flex you think it is.
Yes Saudi Arabia has a long freaking way to go
You could say that again.
Ah yes, 20% of the government appointed puppets are women.
That’ll make their theocratic genderapartheid much better.
Why would anyone would travel to Saudi Arabia for World Cup?
Also why would you have the World Cup in a desert?
Honestly, why do people bother with fifa still? “Richer” countries won’t bother to play anymore because they get pennies. They save up their energy for better paying leagues. And on the other hand there are people putting their life on the table. This isn’t fun or fair.
Yeah, unfortunately lots of willing morons travelling to the fascist shithole of the US for a world cup. I am not having high hopes of them developing a discerning sense of morality before 2034.
This entire region should have organized one world cup, instead of the farce that was Qatar.
Saudi Arabia + Qatar + Kuwait + UAE and maybe Bahrain. The rule about hosts automatically qualifying would have to go, but together it would make some sense, and they would actually have enough different cities for a proper world cup.Me countries basically have been buying up sports leagues and orgs to stave off thier own economic problems, also to sportswash.
Wonder if the US-Iran ‘not war’ will be over then?
