• jobbies@lemmy.zip
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    19 hours ago

    In Saudi women can’t show anything. They must wear an abaya (head-to-toe black robes) and be accompanied by a male gaurdian (husband, father, son) at all times.

    No, I’m not making it up.

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      5 hours ago

      Legally, women in Saudi Arabia are no longer required by law to wear a black abaya or cover their hair. The male guardianship requirement for daily public life has been dismantled; women over 21 can legally travel, get passports, live independently, and enter public spaces without a male guardian’s permission or accompaniment.

      The historical enforcement of these rules were rooted in a specific interpretation of Sharia (Islamic law), layered heavily over ancient Arabian tribal customs:

      • The Concept of Modesty (Haya): In Islamic tradition, modesty is a core spiritual virtue expected of both men and women. In conservative Gulf societies, this was heavily institutionalized into physical concealment for women to prevent Fitnah (temptation or social discord).
      • The Concept of Protection (Wilayah): The male guardianship system (Nizam Al-Wilayah) originally evolved out of tribal structures where the desert environment was harsh and inter-tribal warfare was common. Men were expected to physically protect women from vulnerability, harm, or exploitation. Over the generations, the Saudi state codified this protective role into an absolute legal system of control, treating adult women as legal minors for life.

      While Saudi culture was always conservative, the absolute, rigid enforcement of the all-black abaya and the strict segregation of the sexes by religious police was actually a political reaction to a specific historical event: The 1979 Grand Mosque Seizure.

      In 1979, hardline religious extremists violently seized the Holy Mosque in Mecca, accusing the Saudi royal family of becoming too Westernized and secular. To pacify the religious establishment and maintain political legitimacy, the Saudi government struck a bargain with the ultra-conservative Wahhabi clerics. The state gave the religious police (Mutawa) massive authority to strictly enforce gender segregation, mandatory face coverings, and the head-to-toe black abaya in public.

      You sound like a child when you criticize cultural things without context or understanding why they exist in the first place. You always paint them as malicious, as automatically evil or oppressive, but it is always more complex than that. I really hate this side of the Internet, and it will never end, because every year there is a new generation of 12-years old who will repeat the exact same mistakes again and again. They don’t pay attention to History or Algebra either class because they say dumb shit like “why will we ever need this?” And well, this is what happens. We get ignorant people who can easily dehumanize/demonize a whole subset of people.

      Like, lowkey, your comment makes it “subconsciously” seem like “Arabs and Muslims are rapists” even if you blame culture, the government or the law, you’re already creating this prejudge that is so harmful, and it only and literally benefits the Jeffrey Epstein Class. It keeps us divided, fighting each other, instead of looking up.

      All the cultures in the world have issues with violence, domestic violence, misogyny, racism, xenophobia, child abuse and so on. Some grew quicker than others, thanks to technology, the economy, and more importantly: luck. So, to come here and try to stomp younger cultures because they’re not growing as quick as you want them to, just makes you look like an insane violent unreasonable monster. I am glad you are not a judge or a God. You’d suck as one.

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      16 hours ago

      20% of the parliament is women. Beating the US congress.

      The guardianship rules doesn’t apply for working and traveling. So any woman over 21 can apply for a passport and leave if they feel like it.

      77% of women has a secondary (high school) education and 37% participate in the workforce.

      Yes Saudi Arabia has a long freaking way to go, but they’ve been closing the gender gap in recent years.

      Womens rights is a theme among several middle eastern countries, I’m naive enough to believe they understand it will benefit society and not done so entirely to befriend Europe

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        12 hours ago

        The guardianship rules doesn’t apply for working and traveling.

        Oh that makes it better, they only need to be accompanied when going about their daily business. Got it.

        any woman over 21 can apply for a passport

        So long as they have the permission of their male guardian, the approval of the authorities and they’re not trying to flee with their kids.

        77% of women has a secondary (high school) education

        Thats not the flex you think it is.

        Yes Saudi Arabia has a long freaking way to go

        You could say that again.

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        11 hours ago

        Ah yes, 20% of the government appointed puppets are women.

        That’ll make their theocratic genderapartheid much better.