The Russia, Israel and China are all doing their genocides on a scale far bigger than what USA is currently doing.
Therefore, be careful not to make it look like “these don’t need to excluded because USA isn’t”. Perfect is the enemy of good!
But otherwise I do agree: USA has no place in any international sports events as long as its behaving like the ass it’s been for at least the past 50 years.
I’m sure Cuba thinks the blockade on it is totally fine and doesn’t constitute a similar crime like Israel withholding aid to Palestinians. Or attacking a sovereign state and kidnapping it’s leader. Or attacking a sovereign state and killing multitudes of civilians. And that’s just the past year.
I agree Russia, China, Israel bad - but to think the US isn’t so fucking far up there with them, not just now but historically, is really not giving enough “credit” where it’s due.
1- I’m not comparing, there’s no comparison of a decades long genocide. I’m drawing a parallel that blockading of civilian used goods for an entire population is inherently evil/bad. It didn’t all of a sudden become evil post-2023.
2- it’s not a “counter-argument”. Someone made an opinion statement, not an argument, and I am making the argument.
Cuba maintains trade relations with 160 different countries. The US doesn’t prevent them from trading with other countries and doesn’t block ships to and from Cuba. They just block US companies from trading with Cuban businesses.
Apart from the other answer talking about the very recent escalation, which is a physical blockade to completely starve the island, about the embargo itself: it has been voted on several times in the UN in order to stop it, but it’s always being vetoed by USrael. It’s a grave human rights violation with the explicit aim to cripple the small island in every dimension.
How does the embargo actually work? It‘s not really true, that it‘s not preventing other countries from trading with Cuba, as the reality looks like this: every company that trades with the tiny island will be barred from trading with the world‘s superpower USA. Guess what happens? Almost no company does actively trade with Cuba, as it would automatically lose access to the huge US market. It‘s an economic blockade to actively prevent Cuba from developing.
The U.S. military has seized ships that have supported Cuba. And in recent days, vessels roaming the Caribbean Sea in search of fuel for Cuba have come up empty or been intercepted by the U.S. authorities.
While President Trump has pledged to halt any oil headed to Cuba, the Trump administration has stopped short of calling its policy a blockade.
But it is functioning as one.
At the same time, the largest U.S. military presence in the Caribbean in decades is policing the waters around the island, fresh off its work blocking oil shipments to and from Venezuela ahead of the U.S. capture of the country’s leader, Nicolás Maduro, last month.
The Russia, Israel and China are all doing their genocides on a scale far bigger than what USA
American Exceptionalism strikes again.
You’ve got Americans blowing up hospitals and daycares in Iran, shooting up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela, sieging Cuba to the point of mass starvation, and facilitating genocides from Libya to Afghanistan. But the pre-programmed western response is “I think the other countries are worse!” That’s all that matters. You heard the other guys were worse.
Please read the comment you are replying to before replying to it.
As I said, Americans blowing up hospitals and daycares in Iran, shooting up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela, sieging Cuba to the point of mass starvation, and facilitating genocides from Libya to Afghanistan are such horrific things that because of them USA should be excluded from international sports events.
Facts don’t care about your "I think"s. Your “I think” is an opinion. Facts are not the same as opinions. Destroying 1000 daycares is worse than destroying 100 daycares. Organizing a human safari on Kherson streets killing hundreds upon hundreds of families doing their everyday errands is worse than shooting up tens and tens of fishing boats. Etc.
Facts don’t care about your "I think"s. Your “I think” is an opinion.
Opinions the heuristics one uses when exposed to incomplete data.
Destroying 1000 daycares is worse than destroying 100 daycares.
Throwing out a bigger number based on the allegations of serial liars is fact-based. And continuing to trust the allegations of an organization that would flatten 100 daycares on a whim is an error in judgement.
I don’t know if it’s American Exceptionalism in this case so much as a failure to adjust to current year. That argument could have been made with obama-era Amereica but not today.
During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians.
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The drone operations extended to Somalia and Yemen in 2010 and 2011, resulting in more destructive results. Under the belief they were targeting al-Qaida, President Obama’s first strike on Yemen killed 55 people including 21 children, 10 of which were under the age of five. Additionally, 12 women, five of them pregnant, were also among those who were murdered in this strike. These blundered acts of murder by not only President Obama, but the U.S. government, are morally reprehensible.
Even more civilian casualties came out of Afghanistan throughout Barack Obama’s time in office. In 2014, Obama began removing troops currently deployed in the country. However, instead of this action by the president being one in a pursuit of peace and stability in the region, it only acted as an opportunity to drastically increase air warfare. Afghanistan had war rained upon them by U.S. bombardment, with the administration viciously dropping 1,337 weapons on Afghanistan in 2016. In total that year, the Obama administration dropped 26,171 bombs (drone or otherwise) across seven countries: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan. The U.S., in cooperation with its allies including the Afghan government, killed 582 civilians on average annually from 2007 to 2016.
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With the exception of the wars themselves, the claim that former President Barack Obama is a war criminal also lies within the double-tap initiative. Double-tap drone strikes are as disturbing as they sound; these attacks are follow-up strikes on first responders as they rush to the bombed area trying to assist any survivors. In 2012, an attack on the Shawal Valley aimed at Taliban commander Sadiq Noor reportedly killed up to 14 people in a double-tap drone strike. These attacks are both morally and legally reprehensible, as they are conscious acts of murder against civilians.
So much of what Obama presided over was an extension of the Bush, Clinton, and Reagan policies which were themselves extensions of our wars in Vietnam and Korea. What separates Obama from Trump largely boils down to volume. But the policies were no different than Putin’s illegal actions in Crimea and Chechnya. Or Netanyahu’s engineered famine in Gaza and the West Bank.
yeah, what a lot of statesians fail to gather is that regardless of how our internal politics change depending on which party is in power, our international politics are generally consistent.
60%+ of Americans opposed aid to Israel during the height of their genocide, and I think 55%+? oppose the war with Iran.
It’s not a true democracy (or a true republic). It’s an oligarchy with a democratic theater routine which is adequately convincing to distract the majority of the undereducated public.
That wasn’t a defense of the US. It was pointing out that while the US is bad, others are worse. They even closed out saying they agree US shouldn’t be allowed in internationally competition. Nobody should be genociding, some are genociding harder than others, all should be banned.
It wasn’t my claim, but I would imagine OP maybe referring to the active Uyghur and Turkic Muslim genocide. The US government and by proxy the military commit numerous atrocities. The most recent action in Iran being extremely relevant. As bad as those acts are, imo they still fall short of what Russia, Israel, and China are doing. Again, not a defense of the US, just my opinion on how those 4 nations stack up. And to reiterate, all should be banned from international events like the Olympics.
You know the Ukraine war is a US/NATO proxy war to destabilize Russia, right? You know Israel would not exist in its current state without billions of dollars and years of support from the US govt, right? Every conflict on this planet is because of the US and its desperate, bloodthirsty need to ensure every sovereign nation on the globe is in alignment with “US interests” aka upholding US hegemony and the US military industrial complex. Read “Killing Hope” by William Blum if you’re interested in learning more.
The Palestinian genocide is 100% facilitated by the governments of both the US and Israel, and also by most of the governments of Europe and the Middle East and Australia and Canada. But mainly the US and its proxy in the ME Israel!
Y’all need to learn the definition of genocide because Russia and China are certainly doing nothing of the sort. There’s a difference between war and genocide, in the case of Russia (which by all estimates has lost a hell of a lot more lives than Ukraine), and there’s a difference between cracking down on foreign-armed separatist terrorists and genocide, in the case of China. It could even be argued that Ukraine was committing genocide against ethnic Russians in the Donbas prior to 2022 as there is ample evidence.
Lastly, all of this is not a matter of “your opinion”. It’s a matter of reality and the degree to which we are able and willing to see that reality by finding accurate information outside of the overwhelming propaganda machine of Western mainstream media.
It actually is my opinion. You typed a bunch of stuff, and I’m sure you make some fine points, but at the end of the day, it’s all opinion for how a person ranks bad to more bad. I feel what Israel, Russia, and China are doing is worse than the US. You feel that perhaps that’s not true. We have different opinions, which is fine.
Well one of our opinions is based on reality and one is based on vibes. Seems kinda childish to base your whole political ideology on vibes that are informed by snippets of billionaire-funded mainstream media propaganda. It’s doing more harm than good.
Pffft 8000 civilians killed in Iran together with their entire government doesn’t even count.
That’s within u/Lehmuusa’s acceptable limits. Invading and kidnapping the leader of Venezuela under false pretense is just another day of the month, and blockading and starving a country for oil for no reason is just an example of how might makes right.
AFAIK we do not have verification that more than 8000 Uighurs died, so it seems to me that USA deserves to be on that list not less but MORE than China. Also I haven’t heard about China bombing girls schools.
Pffft 8000 civilians killed in Iran together with their entire government doesn’t even count.
Why not?
That’s within u/Lehmuusa’s acceptable limits.
Please read the comment before replying to it. As I said, 8000 civilians killed in Iran together with their entire government is such a bad deed that USA should be excluded from international sports events because of that and other similar behaviour.
we do not have verification that more than 8000 Uighurs died
The big difference between the Chinese War on Terror in Xinjiang and the American War on Terror in North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia is that Hu Jintao (he was The Good One, can’t speak ill of Hu) Xi Jinping did it using the Dark Arts of Communism rather than the Liberty-imbued Democracy Bombs of Capitalism.
Therefore, every Uighur killed in a police raid on a mosque or who died in a detention camp in Loupu is worse than any ten an American killed with a Shock And Awe bombing run or tortured to death at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay.
So that 8,000 is closer to 80,000. And when you use the Black Book of Communism math to count the unborn decendents of those dead Muslims (whom we love, because Americans universally condemn all forms of Islamophobia and embrace all religions equally) we’re talking about 800,000. Maybe even 8M. Certainly possible it’s more than that, depending on which libertarian think tank or AI chatbot is running the numbers.
Also I haven’t heard about China bombing girls schools.
China has killed more than 100 Million Muslim Girls. Adrian Zenz told me so.
Sure. The same as America.
Sounds reasonable to me.
The Russia, Israel and China are all doing their genocides on a scale far bigger than what USA is currently doing.
Therefore, be careful not to make it look like “these don’t need to excluded because USA isn’t”. Perfect is the enemy of good!
But otherwise I do agree: USA has no place in any international sports events as long as its behaving like the ass it’s been for at least the past 50 years.
do you have any shame? or are you too deep into western chauvinism
Where, exactly, do you think Israel’s money and weapons and bombs come from?
Also, add (US Ally) Saudi Arabia to the genocidaire list, given their sponsorship of the RSF.
I’m sure Cuba thinks the blockade on it is totally fine and doesn’t constitute a similar crime like Israel withholding aid to Palestinians. Or attacking a sovereign state and kidnapping it’s leader. Or attacking a sovereign state and killing multitudes of civilians. And that’s just the past year.
I agree Russia, China, Israel bad - but to think the US isn’t so fucking far up there with them, not just now but historically, is really not giving enough “credit” where it’s due.
Is your counter-argument seriously “I’ll now compare Palestine to Cuba”
1- I’m not comparing, there’s no comparison of a decades long genocide. I’m drawing a parallel that blockading of civilian used goods for an entire population is inherently evil/bad. It didn’t all of a sudden become evil post-2023.
2- it’s not a “counter-argument”. Someone made an opinion statement, not an argument, and I am making the argument.
Also, people confuse comparison with equation.
i mean it’s the internet. some people confuse understanding with endorsement.
A trade embargo is not the same as a blockade.
Cuba maintains trade relations with 160 different countries. The US doesn’t prevent them from trading with other countries and doesn’t block ships to and from Cuba. They just block US companies from trading with Cuban businesses.
Apart from the other answer talking about the very recent escalation, which is a physical blockade to completely starve the island, about the embargo itself: it has been voted on several times in the UN in order to stop it, but it’s always being vetoed by USrael. It’s a grave human rights violation with the explicit aim to cripple the small island in every dimension. How does the embargo actually work? It‘s not really true, that it‘s not preventing other countries from trading with Cuba, as the reality looks like this: every company that trades with the tiny island will be barred from trading with the world‘s superpower USA. Guess what happens? Almost no company does actively trade with Cuba, as it would automatically lose access to the huge US market. It‘s an economic blockade to actively prevent Cuba from developing.
Nope, it’s a blockade - the US seizes vessels that try to trade with Cuba. That’s why it’s been such big news. Have you been living under a rock?
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/20/world/americas/cuba-oil-blockade-trump.html
American Exceptionalism strikes again.
You’ve got Americans blowing up hospitals and daycares in Iran, shooting up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela, sieging Cuba to the point of mass starvation, and facilitating genocides from Libya to Afghanistan. But the pre-programmed western response is “I think the other countries are worse!” That’s all that matters. You heard the other guys were worse.
Please read the comment you are replying to before replying to it.
As I said, Americans blowing up hospitals and daycares in Iran, shooting up fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela, sieging Cuba to the point of mass starvation, and facilitating genocides from Libya to Afghanistan are such horrific things that because of them USA should be excluded from international sports events.
Facts don’t care about your "I think"s. Your “I think” is an opinion. Facts are not the same as opinions. Destroying 1000 daycares is worse than destroying 100 daycares. Organizing a human safari on Kherson streets killing hundreds upon hundreds of families doing their everyday errands is worse than shooting up tens and tens of fishing boats. Etc.
Opinions the heuristics one uses when exposed to incomplete data.
Throwing out a bigger number based on the allegations of serial liars is fact-based. And continuing to trust the allegations of an organization that would flatten 100 daycares on a whim is an error in judgement.
What has USA alleged about any daycares being destroyed anywhere?
Like, off the top of my head? Officials made up a story about Iraqi soldiers murdering Kuwaiti infants in hospital NICUs to sell the 1991 Operation Desert Storm.
Okay? But in Iran USA really did that kind of shit. Or at least there have been horrendous attacks against schools.
Yup.
I don’t know if it’s American Exceptionalism in this case so much as a failure to adjust to current year. That argument could have been made with obama-era Amereica but not today.
Barack Obama Is A War Criminal
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So much of what Obama presided over was an extension of the Bush, Clinton, and Reagan policies which were themselves extensions of our wars in Vietnam and Korea. What separates Obama from Trump largely boils down to volume. But the policies were no different than Putin’s illegal actions in Crimea and Chechnya. Or Netanyahu’s engineered famine in Gaza and the West Bank.
yeah, what a lot of statesians fail to gather is that regardless of how our internal politics change depending on which party is in power, our international politics are generally consistent.
60%+ of Americans opposed aid to Israel during the height of their genocide, and I think 55%+? oppose the war with Iran.
It’s not a true democracy (or a true republic). It’s an oligarchy with a democratic theater routine which is adequately convincing to distract the majority of the undereducated public.
So we can do genocide as long as it’s only a little genocide?
That wasn’t a defense of the US. It was pointing out that while the US is bad, others are worse. They even closed out saying they agree US shouldn’t be allowed in internationally competition. Nobody should be genociding, some are genociding harder than others, all should be banned.
How exactly is China worse than USA? Otherwise I agree.
It wasn’t my claim, but I would imagine OP maybe referring to the active Uyghur and Turkic Muslim genocide. The US government and by proxy the military commit numerous atrocities. The most recent action in Iran being extremely relevant. As bad as those acts are, imo they still fall short of what Russia, Israel, and China are doing. Again, not a defense of the US, just my opinion on how those 4 nations stack up. And to reiterate, all should be banned from international events like the Olympics.
You know the Ukraine war is a US/NATO proxy war to destabilize Russia, right? You know Israel would not exist in its current state without billions of dollars and years of support from the US govt, right? Every conflict on this planet is because of the US and its desperate, bloodthirsty need to ensure every sovereign nation on the globe is in alignment with “US interests” aka upholding US hegemony and the US military industrial complex. Read “Killing Hope” by William Blum if you’re interested in learning more.
The Palestinian genocide is 100% facilitated by the governments of both the US and Israel, and also by most of the governments of Europe and the Middle East and Australia and Canada. But mainly the US and its proxy in the ME Israel!
Y’all need to learn the definition of genocide because Russia and China are certainly doing nothing of the sort. There’s a difference between war and genocide, in the case of Russia (which by all estimates has lost a hell of a lot more lives than Ukraine), and there’s a difference between cracking down on foreign-armed separatist terrorists and genocide, in the case of China. It could even be argued that Ukraine was committing genocide against ethnic Russians in the Donbas prior to 2022 as there is ample evidence.
Lastly, all of this is not a matter of “your opinion”. It’s a matter of reality and the degree to which we are able and willing to see that reality by finding accurate information outside of the overwhelming propaganda machine of Western mainstream media.
It actually is my opinion. You typed a bunch of stuff, and I’m sure you make some fine points, but at the end of the day, it’s all opinion for how a person ranks bad to more bad. I feel what Israel, Russia, and China are doing is worse than the US. You feel that perhaps that’s not true. We have different opinions, which is fine.
Well one of our opinions is based on reality and one is based on vibes. Seems kinda childish to base your whole political ideology on vibes that are informed by snippets of billionaire-funded mainstream media propaganda. It’s doing more harm than good.
Pffft 8000 civilians killed in Iran together with their entire government doesn’t even count.
That’s within u/Lehmuusa’s acceptable limits. Invading and kidnapping the leader of Venezuela under false pretense is just another day of the month, and blockading and starving a country for oil for no reason is just an example of how might makes right.
AFAIK we do not have verification that more than 8000 Uighurs died, so it seems to me that USA deserves to be on that list not less but MORE than China. Also I haven’t heard about China bombing girls schools.
Why not?
Please read the comment before replying to it. As I said, 8000 civilians killed in Iran together with their entire government is such a bad deed that USA should be excluded from international sports events because of that and other similar behaviour.
The big difference between the Chinese War on Terror in Xinjiang and the American War on Terror in North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia is that
Hu Jintao(he was The Good One, can’t speak ill of Hu) Xi Jinping did it using the Dark Arts of Communism rather than the Liberty-imbued Democracy Bombs of Capitalism.Therefore, every Uighur killed in a police raid on a mosque or who died in a detention camp in Loupu is worse than any ten an American killed with a Shock And Awe bombing run or tortured to death at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay.
So that 8,000 is closer to 80,000. And when you use the Black Book of Communism math to count the unborn decendents of those dead Muslims (whom we love, because Americans universally condemn all forms of Islamophobia and embrace all religions equally) we’re talking about 800,000. Maybe even 8M. Certainly possible it’s more than that, depending on which libertarian think tank or AI chatbot is running the numbers.
China has killed more than 100 Million Muslim Girls. Adrian Zenz told me so.
Just because you agree with the state sponsoring the genocide it doesn’t make the genocide okay.
I wish people sincerely thought this way.
Yeah me too.
Instead I see people explain away China’s genocide because they agree with some of their policies.
Do I detect a trace of sarcasm. 😋