I despise 20%. I tolerated 10, maybe 15, but when it became 20 as the baseline with 30 now looming on the horizen, I am about to just say get bent.
The prices have gone up, so the tips have gone up. Why did they make the leap to 20%? Basically its like adding another person to the table.
Now I know people will say they should be paid a living wage, but from every server I know they absolutely do not want that. They want the tips, it pays better.
I don’t know what the solution is. The people who make real money make far beyond that, and there is no doubt the cost of living is through the roof. I cant fault someone for wanting to get a little more, but I am just not going to keep shelling out 20% more on top of dinner that already is 2 people for $150 before tip.
Which could be accomplished by simply raising prices by that amount and then paying the staff appropriately and not have this end run around complicating mess.
The staff would hate that. None of them want it. 20% is far more than what they would be paid even under “a living wage”. They know it, the restaurant knows it.
Its really fucking weird getting down voted and then insulted when chances are you have never had this conversation or worked with people in this industry.
Many restaurants have tried this. The staff do not want it: it always pays much less, and keeps them from being able to pull better nights than others.
Yes outside of america it works, but once you get a taste of that income with tipping, you dont want less.
I’ll even back this up:
“The survey data is crystal clear: Tipped employees overwhelmingly prefer the current tip credit payment system, and they don’t want it to change,” Corder said in a statement provided to Restaurant Business. “It’s rare to find an issue that commands such widespread support across diverse age, race, gender and geographic groups.”
I have, in fact, worked for tips so don’t assume shit about me. I have also worked for minimum wage, with no avenue for tips.
As someone who lives in a country with worker’s rights, I will admit even when I was working for tips, the place I worked was legally required to pay minimum wage. (they just get around that by making it so they don’t have to give you the hours, fuck zero hour contracts)
Even then, there were people who weren’t making enough to do anything but rent a room somewhere and MAYBE go out for a drink at their local once a week.
It’s definitely more accurate to say people prefer having contracted hours, and a wage they can live off, than the threat of starvation and homelessness if they don’t smile hard enough to make some geriatric fart take pity and throw them some spare change.
The survey data is crystal clear: Tipped employees overwhelmingly prefer the current tip credit payment system, and they don’t want it to change,” Corder said in a statement provided to Restaurant Business. “It’s rare to find an issue that commands such widespread support across diverse age, race, gender and geographic groups.”
“The survey was conducted by CorCom, Inc. of nearly 4,000 tipped employees in states facing tip credit elimination threats this year.”
Ah yes, a study of 4000 people about to lose their tips would certainly prefer getting tips
Just auto include a 20% tip in every purchase, include that in the price, and don’t leave an option for tips. Done. Problem solved.
In that case just put that price on the menu like they do in other places. Including taxes in the price would held with the confusion too.
I despise 20%. I tolerated 10, maybe 15, but when it became 20 as the baseline with 30 now looming on the horizen, I am about to just say get bent.
The prices have gone up, so the tips have gone up. Why did they make the leap to 20%? Basically its like adding another person to the table.
Now I know people will say they should be paid a living wage, but from every server I know they absolutely do not want that. They want the tips, it pays better.
I don’t know what the solution is. The people who make real money make far beyond that, and there is no doubt the cost of living is through the roof. I cant fault someone for wanting to get a little more, but I am just not going to keep shelling out 20% more on top of dinner that already is 2 people for $150 before tip.
The only person I to 30% is my hair stylist, and that’s because she hasn’t raised my price in almost 20 years.
Which could be accomplished by simply raising prices by that amount and then paying the staff appropriately and not have this end run around complicating mess.
Yeah, that’s what rising the prices and giving the staff the money is.
The staff would hate that. None of them want it. 20% is far more than what they would be paid even under “a living wage”. They know it, the restaurant knows it.
Sounds like you don’t understand what a livable wage actually means.
Or that you’re a manager yourself and never had to live off an unlivable wage.
Sounds like you have never worked for tips.
Its really fucking weird getting down voted and then insulted when chances are you have never had this conversation or worked with people in this industry.
Many restaurants have tried this. The staff do not want it: it always pays much less, and keeps them from being able to pull better nights than others.
Yes outside of america it works, but once you get a taste of that income with tipping, you dont want less.
I’ll even back this up:
I have, in fact, worked for tips so don’t assume shit about me. I have also worked for minimum wage, with no avenue for tips.
As someone who lives in a country with worker’s rights, I will admit even when I was working for tips, the place I worked was legally required to pay minimum wage. (they just get around that by making it so they don’t have to give you the hours, fuck zero hour contracts)
Even then, there were people who weren’t making enough to do anything but rent a room somewhere and MAYBE go out for a drink at their local once a week.
It’s definitely more accurate to say people prefer having contracted hours, and a wage they can live off, than the threat of starvation and homelessness if they don’t smile hard enough to make some geriatric fart take pity and throw them some spare change.
“The survey was conducted by CorCom, Inc. of nearly 4,000 tipped employees in states facing tip credit elimination threats this year.”
Ah yes, a study of 4000 people about to lose their tips would certainly prefer getting tips
Thanks for providing sources for your quotes Or were you embarrassed to say your source was " https://minimumwage.com/2024/07/survey-tipped-employees-nationwide-prefer-keeping-the-tip-credit/ "
Sounds like a problem for someone that specializes in managing a restaurant.
These kind of sane solutions to problems don’t belong on the internet. We come here to be irrationally angry over everything.
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