Yes. People can do what they want. Tips are optional, and are for good service…not to subsidize owners. If you can’t afford to work in a restaurant, find something else to do for a living.
I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 90s. I refuse to support that corporation.
I just think that it’s on owners to pay their staff a living wage, or for staff to realize they’re not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can. If an owner can’t make that work, the business wasn’t strong enough to survive anyways.
I lived in Australia for a few years and think their system is far better. The only way our system is going to change is for people to reject it.
Wait you take a moral stand against McDonald’s but are willing to stiff workers at restaurants and support owners that are taking advantage of them? This take makes no sense.
The business keeps going, it finds another hungry, almost homeless person to exploit, and keeps making profit because people like you keep going. Put your money where your mouth is and do not patronize these places or you ARE part of the problem. The only way our system changes is if THE CUSTOMER rejects it, victim blaming the workers is frankly kinda lame.
staff to realize they’re not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can
That’s the victim blame-y part, it’s very “go back to your country if you don’t like it here” but “meant well,” however misguided.
Tipping like that definitely is fair, it means the worker at least is taken care of, but it does still buy into the system and perpetuate it (though it is much better than those that go and don’t tip!!) If you were serious about changing the system you’d still have to stop going at all (which would hurt the workers, but would also hurt the owners as opposed to the entitled ones who go and don’t tip, who only hurt the workers.)
Personally imo you’re fine, as long as you either “don’t go there” or “do tip if needed,” but the truth remains that the only,only way to change the overall system starts with the customers rejecting it.
It also hurts me. I like going out and am not going to let the system stop me from doing that. I’m just not going to take any shit from anyone who thinks 18% isn’t enough. It’s more than enough, and service usually sucks these days anyways.
I mean yes, sometimes ideological stances require sacrifice if you want them to become reality.
But also nobody is complaining if you do tip 18%, it perpetuates the system still, yes, but at least it doesn’t fuck me (the worker), even if it also doesn’t fuck my boss. Can’t complain about that, you’re fine! Though on a personal level you must choose between making the sacrifice and perpetuating the system, at least you’re currently perpetuating the system in the right way if you continue to do so, and that is genuinely fine, no shade can really be thrown “even” (“especially” imo) by the idealogues as none of them are willing to sacrifice either but they do perpetuate the system in the worst way possible.
The real complaint is those ones that don’t tip and rail against it but also do their part in perpetuating it. Like, pick one.
Yes. People can do what they want. Tips are optional, and are for good service…not to subsidize owners. If you can’t afford to work in a restaurant, find something else to do for a living.
Just go eat at McDonalds then.
I haven’t eaten at a McDonald’s since the 90s. I refuse to support that corporation.
I just think that it’s on owners to pay their staff a living wage, or for staff to realize they’re not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can. If an owner can’t make that work, the business wasn’t strong enough to survive anyways.
I lived in Australia for a few years and think their system is far better. The only way our system is going to change is for people to reject it.
Wait you take a moral stand against McDonald’s but are willing to stiff workers at restaurants and support owners that are taking advantage of them? This take makes no sense.
I tip 18%, which is more than fair.
The business keeps going, it finds another hungry, almost homeless person to exploit, and keeps making profit because people like you keep going. Put your money where your mouth is and do not patronize these places or you ARE part of the problem. The only way our system changes is if THE CUSTOMER rejects it, victim blaming the workers is frankly kinda lame.
I’m blaming the owners, not the workers. I tip 18%, which i think is more than fair.
That’s the victim blame-y part, it’s very “go back to your country if you don’t like it here” but “meant well,” however misguided.
Tipping like that definitely is fair, it means the worker at least is taken care of, but it does still buy into the system and perpetuate it (though it is much better than those that go and don’t tip!!) If you were serious about changing the system you’d still have to stop going at all (which would hurt the workers, but would also hurt the owners as opposed to the entitled ones who go and don’t tip, who only hurt the workers.)
Personally imo you’re fine, as long as you either “don’t go there” or “do tip if needed,” but the truth remains that the only, only way to change the overall system starts with the customers rejecting it.
It also hurts me. I like going out and am not going to let the system stop me from doing that. I’m just not going to take any shit from anyone who thinks 18% isn’t enough. It’s more than enough, and service usually sucks these days anyways.
I mean yes, sometimes ideological stances require sacrifice if you want them to become reality.
But also nobody is complaining if you do tip 18%, it perpetuates the system still, yes, but at least it doesn’t fuck me (the worker), even if it also doesn’t fuck my boss. Can’t complain about that, you’re fine! Though on a personal level you must choose between making the sacrifice and perpetuating the system, at least you’re currently perpetuating the system in the right way if you continue to do so, and that is genuinely fine, no shade can really be thrown “even” (“especially” imo) by the idealogues as none of them are willing to sacrifice either but they do perpetuate the system in the worst way possible.
The real complaint is those ones that don’t tip and rail against it but also do their part in perpetuating it. Like, pick one.
A lot of cultures simply don’t understand tipping, or wonder why they’re not getting better service for it.
I think most of the pushback is because service has consistently gotten worse while tips keep getting consistently forced upwards.
Most restaurants where i live don’t even have lower % options than 18% on the machines…but we’re only getting 10% level service for it.
Tips aren’t for service anymore…that’s the issue.