• St.Elsewhere@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
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    11 hours ago

    How did Israel transition from a US base in the Middle East into the country that visibly holds the keys? Blackmail? Money? Religion? What the hell happened?

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      8 hours ago

      Money. Politics is always all about money. Not ideals/virtues. Not borders. Not cultures. Not ideas. Not what the people need.

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      10 hours ago

      I find myself asking this question more and more… But not just the US. How the fuck does Israel have so much power over so many countries. Like just look at the UK and how they’re treating anyone even protesting for Palestine. It’s insane how much power they have over so many countries… I just don’t understand how.

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        9 hours ago

        A giant honeypot operation whose goal was to ensnare as many prominent politicians and business leaders as they could into raping children.

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          9 hours ago

          And they hoodwink the rest of humanity with “holocaust.”

          Guilt for that shit should have run out 70 years ago.

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            The Holocaust was real, and it’s important to not forget atrocities because as we can see we slip back into them very quickly.

            My main issue with HOW the Holocaust lives in the modern western conscious is that it drowns out plenty of other genocides, from the Armenian genocide and the Bengal famine up to more recent ones in Gaza and the Congo. It’s ridiculous to compare genocides as if they can be distilled to a number and compared, but the framing of the Holocaust as worse than the other genocides is so counterproductive to developing the empathy necessary to prevent this kind of thing in the future.

            I mean the Holocaust literally happened and Europe and they’re full of racism against romani and recent migrants. People shit on the USA for having a checkered past but at least we know about it. The number of brits who don’t even know about their atrocities in Ireland, their backyard, is nuts. That’s not even counting what happened in their colonies. I talked with a Belgian once who wasn’t aware of how bad their colony in the Congo was.

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                7 hours ago

                We should be milking it more. And some people are.

                Because what’s happening in Gaza isn’t much different. Slightly less organized. Equally inhumane and unhuman.

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            8 hours ago

            100 percent agree. It was a propaganda plan from the very beginning.

            US wanted a “friend” in the middle east to ensure access to oil. And used holocaust guilt to push it to the people back home.

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              6 hours ago

              US wanted a “friend” in the middle east to ensure access to oil.

              No, thats BS – trying to blame the Us for zionisms crimes. The Nakba wasnt a US invention and that happened right after ww2. Zionism is not America’s fault and does not benefit America at all. Its pure cost and always has been. America already has better friends in the middle east to access oil. It does not need anything from Israel at all-- not commerically, strategically, diplomatically, and things would be smoother oil-access wise if Israeli religious terrorists werent present in the region. We’re there because zionists have money. Some of which we gave them.

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      10 hours ago

      Gotta be the Epstein blackmail?

      Ghislaines dad was an Israeli agent

      It’s so insane. It’s just blatant they dictate our foreign policy at this point.

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        7 hours ago

        And it’s disappointing that the Dems are scared of doing without the election funding.

        I get it. It’s understandable that they don’t trust voters to look past name recognition and ads. But… I still think it’s a bad call. Being beholden to Israel isn’t worth it, even if it makes us more likely to lose elections.

        Call your Dems. Tell them you want transparency in funding, even if it is AIPAC.

        Dems as a party could make a big show of rejecting AIPAC altogether and returning all the money. That’d buy them more publicity and goodwill than ads can buy. At least the next cycle.

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      9 hours ago

      Good question, but it’s important to note that they only have as much power as they do because they’re being allowed to do so by the US political establishment. It’s not like Israel is writing US foreign policy in the Middle East from the ground up; US foreign policy just happens to be close enough to what Israel wants to do that that’s what it looks like. That’s the base on top of which the blackmail, money and religion are acting, as evidenced by how none of those factors would ever make America act like this with, say, China.