The basic aspects of the universe that God created can be observed and explored. He didn’t need to convey it in written scripture, which is the only way a redemption story could have been preserved.
Excuse me? Your excuse is “he didn’t have to do it”? So you believe he chose to do it, but fucked it up because he didn’t actually care that much?
Why do we need a redemption story instead of just… love?
Once again, it appears your argument fell apart but you’re trying to claim victory anyway
Which argument? When did I claim victory? Take care not to project, I don’t think like you do.
Seems to be a heart issue ragher than a head issue.
No, silly goose, the heart pumps blood. The brain does the thinking. My brain sees a godless world. My brain sees irreconcilable errors in the bible and its believers.
For the record, I was a believer for a long time. My parents wouldn’t have it any other way. They violently brainwashed me, their real child, in the name of their fake god.
See my first and only post for a song I wrote about it.
But irrespective of my own experience, it is factual that we have zero evidence for god’s existence.
Basically all human suffering is a product of human activity anyway and the rejection of God, God doesn’t inflict suffering on us.
So god is not all-powerful?
Because you can’t have it both ways. If he is all-powerful, knew what would happen, knew what we would do with our free will and chose to make us and this world anyway, literally everything is his choice.
Suffering is caused by the lack of goodness.
Nah, it’s caused by selfish dipshits like you. And disease. And natural disasters. Did god decide random suffering was necessary in addition to his utterly arbitrary curses?
Why does anyone suffer for choices they did not make?
But God does promise us the end of all suffering anyway. He will punish all wickedness and exalt the humble and meek. All one must do is accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour, and let Him transform them. He will have eternal life.
It’s a death cult. Grow up. My friends are dead because you love this baseless, abusive bullshit more than real life.
My friends are dead because you love this baseless, abusive bullshit more than real life.
You don’t know me, yet you make these accusations against me. Why?
I read your song a while ago. If I may- what did John Stowe and Christine do? It appears you also say that your parents physically abused you as an infant. This is not okay. You also said they worshipped a different god to the bible?
You don’t know me, yet you make these accusations against me. Why?
In the few interactions we have had, you have actively defended a death cult. This behavior harms you, me, and everyone else. I consider it a sign of dangerous unintelligence when someone pretends that magic is real, a staggering lack of reading comprehension to fail to recognize the bible as fiction.
I read your song a while ago. If I may- what did John Stowe and Christine do? It appears you also say that your parents physically abused you as an infant.
Thanks. Yes, they hit my brothers and me when we were young. They stopped when we got older, presumably because they feared we’d start to hit back. My parents violently forced me to attend church three times a week, where we were yelled at by our southern baptist pastor that we would all burn forever in hell if we didn’t accept the “love” of Jesus. I have been suicidal all my life.
I wasn’t going to accept Jesus until my parents forced me to go to a summer camp. There I was told that if I went to hell, my parents in heaven would miss me. So I “accepted Jesus” and all the abusive bullshit that came with it. I believed in god for decades, but it made me a shitty person. God is your own ego given divine authority.
This is not okay.
I agree. But it’s the norm in the bible belt. People laugh at me for pointing out how bad it was, people insist I am weak for crying out instead of acknowledging that it was child abuse. They want to keep spreading their cult until it kills us all because they think they’re going to heaven. So I push back on magical thinking, but especially christianity, whenever I can.
You also said they worshipped a different god to the bible?
Everyone does. The god of the bible is inconsistent with the god of the bible, so each believer makes up their own version of him and pretends it’s the same.
Specifically, I believed in a loving god, but my parents embodied the cruel and violent tyrant of the old testament.
In the few interactions we have had, you have actively defended a death cult. This behavior harms you, me, and everyone else. I consider it a sign of dangerous unintelligence when someone pretends that magic is real, a staggering lack of reading comprehension to fail to recognize the bible as fiction.
This just comes off as bigotry. Plain and simple. There’s nothing unintelligent with being religious or the lack thereof it. Yes, I, like the majority of humanity, believe in the supernatural. There’s nothing wrong with that.
If you’re referring to your specific upbringing within a family in the Southern United States within a Baptist denomination as the “death cult”, then no, I am not defending that. It sounds like they didn’t even teach you anything about “believe or you’ll perish” but didn’t give you anything to believe in.
Specifically, I believed in a loving god, but my parents embodied the cruel and violent tyrant of the old testament.
This is a misconception. Jesus in the New Testament talks about hell and warns of impending doom, in addition to Revelation (more than the old testament). While the Old Testament also demonstrates God’s patience and love, teaches you to love your neighbour, etc.
You are the bigot. I am defending reality from your death cult.
There’s nothing unintelligent with being religious or the lack thereof it.
Yes, there is. You accept claims without evidence. You pretend magic is real. You ignore blatant contradictions in the bible. You pretend hate is love. You lack critical thinking skills. It’s dangerous.
Yes, I, like the majority of humanity, believe in the supernatural.
Citation needed.
There’s nothing wrong with that.
Yes there is, you selfish moron. There is only one truth. “Supernatural” means not real. Stop believing in things that are not real. Beliefs drive our actions. You are actively making the world worse by pretending magic is real. You support the same death cult that ruined my life and is killing more people every day.
It is wrong to be wrong. Grow up.
If you’re referring to your specific upbringing within a family in the Southern United States within a Baptist denomination as the “death cult”, then no, I am not defending that.
All the abrahamic faiths are death cults. Yahweh is a death god. He solves problems of his own making with needless violence. Christians worship a zombie savior, drink his blood, eat his flesh. Belief in an afterlife devalues our real lives. My parents think they are going to heaven when they die. They don’t care when human life is lost, they pretend the dead are better off that way.
And you are defending it. Magical thinking is intolerable.
It sounds like they didn’t even teach you anything about “believe or you’ll perish” but didn’t give you anything to believe in.
Don’t make assumptions. Ask questions. Kids are dying for this.
This is a misconception. Jesus in the New Testament talks about hell and warns of impending doom, in addition to Revelation (more than the old testament).
It was their interpretation, the church’s and my parents’. How do you know they were wrong and you are right? There is no standard, no way to verify. You already normalized delusion, and I was abused for it. There is no undoing that.
The least you can do is stop spreading this cancer.
Your false beliefs are a threat to all life.
While the Old Testament also demonstrates God’s patience and love, teaches you to love your neighbour, etc.
Dumb fuck: “do what I say or suffer” IS NOT LOVE. God is not patient in the bible, he’s impulsive, cruel, and really fucking stupid. “I made man bad. I flood world. Oops, man still bad. Oh well.” What an idiot.
Fuck you for choosing death. There is blood on your hands, murderer.
Excuse me? Your excuse is “he didn’t have to do it”? So you believe he chose to do it, but fucked it up because he didn’t actually care that much?
Why do we need a redemption story instead of just… love?
Which argument? When did I claim victory? Take care not to project, I don’t think like you do.
No, silly goose, the heart pumps blood. The brain does the thinking. My brain sees a godless world. My brain sees irreconcilable errors in the bible and its believers.
For the record, I was a believer for a long time. My parents wouldn’t have it any other way. They violently brainwashed me, their real child, in the name of their fake god.
See my first and only post for a song I wrote about it.
But irrespective of my own experience, it is factual that we have zero evidence for god’s existence.
So god is not all-powerful?
Because you can’t have it both ways. If he is all-powerful, knew what would happen, knew what we would do with our free will and chose to make us and this world anyway, literally everything is his choice.
Nah, it’s caused by selfish dipshits like you. And disease. And natural disasters. Did god decide random suffering was necessary in addition to his utterly arbitrary curses?
Why does anyone suffer for choices they did not make?
It’s a death cult. Grow up. My friends are dead because you love this baseless, abusive bullshit more than real life.
You don’t know me, yet you make these accusations against me. Why?
I read your song a while ago. If I may- what did John Stowe and Christine do? It appears you also say that your parents physically abused you as an infant. This is not okay. You also said they worshipped a different god to the bible?
In the few interactions we have had, you have actively defended a death cult. This behavior harms you, me, and everyone else. I consider it a sign of dangerous unintelligence when someone pretends that magic is real, a staggering lack of reading comprehension to fail to recognize the bible as fiction.
Thanks. Yes, they hit my brothers and me when we were young. They stopped when we got older, presumably because they feared we’d start to hit back. My parents violently forced me to attend church three times a week, where we were yelled at by our southern baptist pastor that we would all burn forever in hell if we didn’t accept the “love” of Jesus. I have been suicidal all my life.
I wasn’t going to accept Jesus until my parents forced me to go to a summer camp. There I was told that if I went to hell, my parents in heaven would miss me. So I “accepted Jesus” and all the abusive bullshit that came with it. I believed in god for decades, but it made me a shitty person. God is your own ego given divine authority.
I agree. But it’s the norm in the bible belt. People laugh at me for pointing out how bad it was, people insist I am weak for crying out instead of acknowledging that it was child abuse. They want to keep spreading their cult until it kills us all because they think they’re going to heaven. So I push back on magical thinking, but especially christianity, whenever I can.
Everyone does. The god of the bible is inconsistent with the god of the bible, so each believer makes up their own version of him and pretends it’s the same.
Specifically, I believed in a loving god, but my parents embodied the cruel and violent tyrant of the old testament.
This just comes off as bigotry. Plain and simple. There’s nothing unintelligent with being religious or the lack thereof it. Yes, I, like the majority of humanity, believe in the supernatural. There’s nothing wrong with that.
If you’re referring to your specific upbringing within a family in the Southern United States within a Baptist denomination as the “death cult”, then no, I am not defending that. It sounds like they didn’t even teach you anything about “believe or you’ll perish” but didn’t give you anything to believe in.
This is a misconception. Jesus in the New Testament talks about hell and warns of impending doom, in addition to Revelation (more than the old testament). While the Old Testament also demonstrates God’s patience and love, teaches you to love your neighbour, etc.
You are the bigot. I am defending reality from your death cult.
Yes, there is. You accept claims without evidence. You pretend magic is real. You ignore blatant contradictions in the bible. You pretend hate is love. You lack critical thinking skills. It’s dangerous.
Citation needed.
Yes there is, you selfish moron. There is only one truth. “Supernatural” means not real. Stop believing in things that are not real. Beliefs drive our actions. You are actively making the world worse by pretending magic is real. You support the same death cult that ruined my life and is killing more people every day.
It is wrong to be wrong. Grow up.
All the abrahamic faiths are death cults. Yahweh is a death god. He solves problems of his own making with needless violence. Christians worship a zombie savior, drink his blood, eat his flesh. Belief in an afterlife devalues our real lives. My parents think they are going to heaven when they die. They don’t care when human life is lost, they pretend the dead are better off that way.
And you are defending it. Magical thinking is intolerable.
Don’t make assumptions. Ask questions. Kids are dying for this.
It was their interpretation, the church’s and my parents’. How do you know they were wrong and you are right? There is no standard, no way to verify. You already normalized delusion, and I was abused for it. There is no undoing that.
The least you can do is stop spreading this cancer.
Your false beliefs are a threat to all life.
Dumb fuck: “do what I say or suffer” IS NOT LOVE. God is not patient in the bible, he’s impulsive, cruel, and really fucking stupid. “I made man bad. I flood world. Oops, man still bad. Oh well.” What an idiot.
Fuck you for choosing death. There is blood on your hands, murderer.