I can see how people might see voting 3rd party as functionally equivalent to not voting when it comes to one-round FPTP systems, though.
It’s better from a deontological standpoint, yes. But consequence-wise it’s more/less the same result as not voting, if I understood it correctly.
Normally i wouldnt mind this and would agree with you. But not on the only candidate we’ve ever had that has begged to be made king and actively tried to violently over throw the system
The closest a 3rd party candidate ever got was Teddy Roosevelt, Bull Moose Party in 1912, 27% of the vote, lost to Wilson, 42%. Voting for third party ensures your vote won’t count for spit, but something tells me you’re a Republican and that’s the whole point of your op post.
That is what makes them a “third party,” isn’t it? When a third party starts doing well enough to win elections, they just stop being called a third party. And that has happened, or we’d be choosing between the Whigs and the Democratic-Republicans.
So who did you vote for, the Democratic-Republicans or the Whigs? Since that can never happen in a FPTP system, it stands to reason that we must still have the two parties we started with. Was there some time period in history where the US didn’t have FPTP where all the party shuffling happened?
A quick web query says close to 90 million people didn’t vote in the last election. Trump won by ~2.3 million. Are you sure it was the 2.9 million that voted 3rd party (nearly half of which voted Libertarian split between RJK jr and his successor)?
Don’t you think that 90 million might have played a bigger role?
Don’t you think the 77 million that voted Trump might have had more to do with it?
Say the same to yourself bud. How many more people need to die before you realize the system is the problem, not the people voting. Because it seems y’all only care when it’s Americans that die.
Nothing wrong with voting 3rd party. Blame the people who don’t vote/vote for the side you don’t like.
I can see how people might see voting 3rd party as functionally equivalent to not voting when it comes to one-round FPTP systems, though. It’s better from a deontological standpoint, yes. But consequence-wise it’s more/less the same result as not voting, if I understood it correctly.
Normally i wouldnt mind this and would agree with you. But not on the only candidate we’ve ever had that has begged to be made king and actively tried to violently over throw the system
The closest a 3rd party candidate ever got was Teddy Roosevelt, Bull Moose Party in 1912, 27% of the vote, lost to Wilson, 42%. Voting for third party ensures your vote won’t count for spit, but something tells me you’re a Republican and that’s the whole point of your op post.
https://www.pbs.org/thinktank/thirdchoice/timeline.html
That is what makes them a “third party,” isn’t it? When a third party starts doing well enough to win elections, they just stop being called a third party. And that has happened, or we’d be choosing between the Whigs and the Democratic-Republicans.
username checks out :D
That’s never going to happen in a first past the post system.
So who did you vote for, the Democratic-Republicans or the Whigs? Since that can never happen in a FPTP system, it stands to reason that we must still have the two parties we started with. Was there some time period in history where the US didn’t have FPTP where all the party shuffling happened?
The Republicans are a third party.
If 10% of the vote goes to x then there’s motivation to court voters from x.
If you only vote 2 parties then you’re only courting voters from the other party.
Ross Perot got over 10% I think. Look how much that changed 🙄
In how many consecutive elections?
We’ve seen exactly what happens when you do that, dumbfuck.
How many more people have to die?
A quick web query says close to 90 million people didn’t vote in the last election. Trump won by ~2.3 million. Are you sure it was the 2.9 million that voted 3rd party (nearly half of which voted Libertarian split between RJK jr and his successor)?
Don’t you think that 90 million might have played a bigger role?
Don’t you think the 77 million that voted Trump might have had more to do with it?
Say the same to yourself bud. How many more people need to die before you realize the system is the problem, not the people voting. Because it seems y’all only care when it’s Americans that die.