I know about Red Bull and Müller.
https://www.standpunkt.press/wie-servustv-den-sport-fuer-rechte-propaganda-benutzt-733/
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-medienunternehmen-von-dietrich-mateschitz-100.html
https://www.campact.de/rechtsextremismus/theo-mueller-muellermlich-afd/
Let’s not buy from them.
The irony of calling out nationalism in a community named “Buy European”…
“Yeah, we are nationalistic, but not that nationalistic!”
I know, unpopular opinion, just vote me down.
(I agree with the “don’t support Nazis” part independent from the nationalism topic, though)
You are aware that Europe isn’t a country right?
l am aware of that.
Technicality, though. Similar mechanisms.
(which doesn’t have to be a bad thing, mind you. I am all in for a stronger common European identity, including some
nationalismunionalism)Or maybe it’s just simply a reaction to being under threat from both sides and trying to protect the good parts of the European union that Russia and the US apparently wishes to destroy and invade.
I sure don’t feel super inclined to buy from America when they have openly threatened to kidnap a country within my kingdom. If that makes me a nationalist then the word carries no meaning.
Fighting against Nazis and for a prosperous economy is truly patriotic. Right-wingers have just tainted the word by hiding behind it.
The thing is, they use patriotism as a shield, but they never actually make the country better off. It’s just a scam. Left-wingers are the true patriots.
Yes… ironic to call out nationalism in a group dedicated to pan-European non-nationalistic buying.
Europe isn’t a nation. In fact, the whole idea of creating a European Union was to try to blunt the nationalist tendencies that led to the rise of the Nazis.
Kind of, but remember that Europe is not a nation, so I don’t know if nationalism is the correct term.
Chauvinism or jingoism might work.
Also, while europe isnt a single nation, the EU is a single economy, so maybe “nationalism” still applies.
Yes, you are certainly right and I also understand that.
But it has the same reasoning and feels like it, stressing themes of common identity and all, even though Europe technically isn’t a nation.
Or it could have something to do with being politically surrounded by warmongering dictators on all sides. Kinda builds solidarity when you have to rely on those who are on the same boat as you. The only time I see anyone identifying as European is on American TV shows that can’t be bothered to figure out the culture their characters are coming from.
I’m from Germany, someone calling themselves nationalist here is definitively far enough right wing to be a Mitläufer. I think nationalists in the EU are against the idea of the Union.
Personally i think we definitely need some more euro-“patriotism” propagated by the normal parties. It would strengthen the union, help foster a healthier sense of commonality with the other europeans, and most importantly provide an alternative “outlet” for these nationalistic impulses that are being promoted by external enemies.
That is of course not to endorse nationalism, but Europe is under threat from hostile foreign actors and really needs some unity and awareness in the population of what is happening.
Just goes to show the complexity about different (political) opinions
Correct.
It’s typically less black&white than it is often made to appear.
Being nationalistic doesn’t necessarily also mean being far-right.
Nor are the far right always as nationalistic as they often try to make you believe (see e.g. the Russia affinity of Germany’s AFD and their ideological aversion against national energy independence).
That’s not really the same thing lol, neither is Europe a country if you nitpick.
I love the EU as an agent of unification. In my opinion it would be great for more nations even outside Europe joining. Just as I do not mind Australia joining the eurovision song contest.
There are certain things we expect of our products to consider them European. Standards both in quality as well as testing and production. I think this can grow as well. For me it has little to do with geolocation and more with mindset.
Maybe it should be “buy local (europe)” or something like that. Most people here just probably want to buy local for sovereignty, economic, and ecological reasons.
I do know people that want to buy stuff made in a particular place for purely nationalistic purposes, but it seems rare.
True, but a lot of us on this channel aren’t even European. We just want to limit our economic support of the US, China and Russia. (I presume I’m not alone because of the similar posts in this channel to degoogle and selfhost.) Anyone wanting to do that also wants to limit their support for these companies too