I know about Red Bull and Müller.
https://www.standpunkt.press/wie-servustv-den-sport-fuer-rechte-propaganda-benutzt-733/
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/die-medienunternehmen-von-dietrich-mateschitz-100.html
https://www.campact.de/rechtsextremismus/theo-mueller-muellermlich-afd/
Let’s not buy from them.
Basically avoid anything megacorp related (which takes a lil bit of research, but not that much - especially for products you buy repeatedly).
(Or ultra rich families related, even in non-ownership ways.)It’s because the system (capitalism) only has one metric (financial profit) & by definition any company with enough money “should” (by definition or obligation to shareholders) influence local, country, and EU politics as much as possible. Companies that don’t will lag behind or get squeezed out of the markets (b2c, b2b, labour market, supply chains, etc).
And all of it is basically always bad for the consumer & other citizens in the
longmedium run.We need regulated markets & less imperialism.
(It’s also why EU directives include so many agencies, specialists, public hearings, and separately input from the companies that get affected. It takes time, but it’s transparent & at least semi-successfully eliminate the politics from directly affecting legal frameworks at it’s core goals. Also directives are subject to scheduled reviews which is when market participants, ie companies, voice their grievances/costs, suggestions for simplifications, or even improvements. Not via lobbyists directly to politicians. Not that there isn’t any of that.)
Totally agree, but I wanted to ask about the really worst. In Germany most companies don’t support the Afd yet. Many support the CDU, I don’t know if that is much better, because I think they will help them to power. But I think its important to know about the worst and send a signal. I really don’t want to support Nazis. I saw Red Bull being mentioned as a good EU alternative for US products. I didn’t know about the other companies in the comments, I bought Abus before and am not going to do that again. I’ve heard people say that driving a Tesla isn’t that bad, because all car manufacturers are bad. I wasn’t happy with that answer.
About everything from Flanders in Belgium then? It’s all NVA / VB up there. A more local style of nationalism. Regionalism if that’s a thing. But not the « proud to be from Brittany » kind of regionalism unfortunately. And in Wallonia it’s moving towards right as well as of late :-/
Vincent Bolloré from France:
Owner of Groupe Canal+, various French media where he pushes his agenda, Vivendi, Universal Music, Lagardère…
Basically created the worst nazi in the last presidential election from scratch, owner of what is basically French Fox News.The CEO of Prozis (a sports supplements brand) has open connections with neo-nazis groups.
Is anybody surprised lol have you seen how he acts on LinkedIn? A guy who was lucky to strike gold now thinks he’s hot shit. Its embarrassing.
The irony of calling out nationalism in a community named “Buy European”…
“Yeah, we are nationalistic, but not that nationalistic!”
I know, unpopular opinion, just vote me down.
(I agree with the “don’t support Nazis” part independent from the nationalism topic, though)
I’m from Germany, someone calling themselves nationalist here is definitively far enough right wing to be a Mitläufer. I think nationalists in the EU are against the idea of the Union.
Personally i think we definitely need some more euro-“patriotism” propagated by the normal parties. It would strengthen the union, help foster a healthier sense of commonality with the other europeans, and most importantly provide an alternative “outlet” for these nationalistic impulses that are being promoted by external enemies.
That is of course not to endorse nationalism, but Europe is under threat from hostile foreign actors and really needs some unity and awareness in the population of what is happening.
Fighting against Nazis and for a prosperous economy is truly patriotic. Right-wingers have just tainted the word by hiding behind it.
The thing is, they use patriotism as a shield, but they never actually make the country better off. It’s just a scam. Left-wingers are the true patriots.
True, but a lot of us on this channel aren’t even European. We just want to limit our economic support of the US, China and Russia. (I presume I’m not alone because of the similar posts in this channel to degoogle and selfhost.) Anyone wanting to do that also wants to limit their support for these companies too
The irony of calling out nationalism in a community named “Buy European”…
“Yeah, we are nationalistic, but not that nationalistic!”
I know, unpopular opinion, just vote me down.
(I agree with the “don’t support Nazis” part independent from the nationalism topic, though)
Kind of, but remember that Europe is not a nation, so I don’t know if nationalism is the correct term.
Chauvinism or jingoism might work.
Also, while europe isnt a single nation, the EU is a single economy, so maybe “nationalism” still applies.
Yes, you are certainly right and I also understand that.
But it has the same reasoning and feels like it, stressing themes of common identity and all, even though Europe technically isn’t a nation.Or it could have something to do with being politically surrounded by warmongering dictators on all sides. Kinda builds solidarity when you have to rely on those who are on the same boat as you. The only time I see anyone identifying as European is on American TV shows that can’t be bothered to figure out the culture their characters are coming from.
That’s not really the same thing lol, neither is Europe a country if you nitpick.
Just goes to show the complexity about different (political) opinions
Correct.
It’s typically less black&white than it is often made to appear.Being nationalistic doesn’t necessarily also mean being far-right.
Nor are the far right always as nationalistic as they often try to make you believe (see e.g. the Russia affinity of Germany’s AFD and their ideological aversion against national energy independence).
Maybe it should be “buy local (europe)” or something like that. Most people here just probably want to buy local for sovereignty, economic, and ecological reasons.
I do know people that want to buy stuff made in a particular place for purely nationalistic purposes, but it seems rare.
I love the EU as an agent of unification. In my opinion it would be great for more nations even outside Europe joining. Just as I do not mind Australia joining the eurovision song contest.
There are certain things we expect of our products to consider them European. Standards both in quality as well as testing and production. I think this can grow as well. For me it has little to do with geolocation and more with mindset.
