I honestly don’t know anyone more anti-semitic than Israelis. You may think they’re Jewish, but I tend to think they just use Jewish people as human shields.
You have no idea how true your statement is, if we go back to early zionism they had an opposition movement, the Bund, the bund was a jewish labour movement about jewish pride and culture, and most importantly, that jews belong wherever they are, we were made in the diaspora and we belong where we are.
In contrast the Zionism was extremely antisemitic, only the Hetzel and his buddies were good jews, integrated enough to be “Civilized” while still jewish, bellow them there were Coffehaus jews who were more integrated, and bellow them the OstJews the primitive poor jews (Fiddler on the roof). They hated them, and hope that they will be civilized, and those where only Ashkenazim, other jews barely count because they were of inferior races and primitive “barbarian” cultures.
And when nazis arrived, they struggled with boycotts and sanctions, and zionists made a deal with Hitler, to self ethnically cleanse themselves and pay tariffs and help finance Nazi Germany in the process (Haavara agreement). This also hurt international boycotts, because why Boycott nazis for antisemitism if jews are not following the boycotts.
not sure how much support they gave them, and I wonder if it wasn’t for that support the Nazi state would have collapsed before the Holocaust. but the end result was the survival of Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, which genocided the jews that stayed and the Bund movement.
Actually I do but I’m still glad you shared that. It gets worse than that though. Zionist viewed the traditional “ghetto Jew” with absolute revulsion and operated on a framework of psychological essentialism and social dominance orientation.
Chaim Weizmann, the first president of Israel, didn’t want the Jewish masses saved; he viewed them as an inferior caste. In 1937, reflecting on the fate of Europe’s Jews, he said:
“Millions of Jews are dust on the wheels of history that will have to be blown away. They must accept their fate. We do not want them crowding into our Tel Aviv, turning it into a low-grade ghetto.”
Ze’ev Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism, built his movement on collective narcissism, violently contrasting his ideal new “Hebrew” with the traditional Diaspora Jew (whom he derisively called the “Yid”). He wrote:
“Because the Yid is ugly, sickly, and lacks decorum, we shall endow the ideal image of the Hebrew with masculine beauty. The Yid is trodden upon and easily frightened… The Yid is despised by all.”
Arthur Ruppin, father of Zionist Sociology, openly embraced eugenics and racial hygiene, treating the Jewish diaspora as raw “human material” to be filtered.
David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel, frequently and dismissively referred to Diaspora Jews, including Holocaust survivors arriving in Israel, as “human dust” that had no roots and needed to be entirely forged into something else. He argued for strict selection policies to keep the mentally ill, physically weak, or socially “undesirable” Jews out of Palestine so they wouldn’t pollute the new nationalist project.
Rudolf Kasztner, the Zionist leader in Hungary during WWII, negotiated directly with Adolf Eichmann to secure a rescue train for a few hundred prominent Zionists and wealthy individuals. Meanwhile, he intentionally kept quiet as over 430,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz.
Some brave scholars despite immediately being labeled as antisemitic have explored correlations between language used by Zionists against Jews and how it relates to language used during the Salem witch trials, and finding that the negative perception many in the global community had against Jews was manufactured through deliberate efforts by early Zionists indicating the language itself & stereotypes they perpetuated contributed to later actions by Nazi Germany.
What a weird and suggestive way to say that. If I was trying to bait people into calling me anti-semitic, that would be a perfect idea to accomplish that.
Well, over 70% of Israel is Jewish and I don’t think it is the remainder going to war against majority Muslim countries. So it seems to involve a pretty big portion.
nope. separation of the classes is the first step to realizing you are being propagandized. nazi netanyahoo is not jewish, even if he says he is. he’s a zionist and a capitalist.
I’m not saying all Jews are doing genocide at all. Just that saying “Jews have nothing to do with this” is absolutely categorical nonsense. Zionism is inextricably linked to Judaism. Not necessarily the other way around.
Thinking Zionism is linked to Judaism is just knowing what the word means.
zionism was created by capitalists, some of whom happened to be Jewish. the whole point is that it muddies the waters on “who to hate” on purpose, because we should be hating the capitalists.
the problem is not Jews. and i know you’re not saying “all jews” - but when people say things like “the jews want to die”, ignoring the obvious stupidity of that, they miss an opportunity to put the focus on the real group causing this world to implode: zionists and capitalists.
hey. just wanted to say thank you. i enjoy “debates” as much as they can be called “debates” on threads like this and wish there was a debate team like community. could prob start one! though i never was on any formal debate teams I think it would be cool to have a monthly thread, teams created, two weeks of “research time” and then a curated discussion thread. hrm. anyway all that adhd ramble to say i appreciated your reply.
You have to remember that with “birthright” citizenship, there is a constant stream of new voters who not only aren’t tired of war, they have a personal financial motivation to increase Israel’s borders; they are the “settlers” who steal land rather than buy it.
Loads of Jewish Israelis who have had to serve in the IDF for generations want peace, and have been against Bibi since before he first took office.
90% of them supported the illegal war just like the vast majority support the genocide in Gaza. The Israelis who are demanding peace want it by military domination.
all reports seem to indicate that the US was responsible for that, not Israel. But whatever, you already have a emotional narrative so why let facts get in the way…
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I honestly don’t know anyone more anti-semitic than Israelis. You may think they’re Jewish, but I tend to think they just use Jewish people as human shields.
You have no idea how true your statement is, if we go back to early zionism they had an opposition movement, the Bund, the bund was a jewish labour movement about jewish pride and culture, and most importantly, that jews belong wherever they are, we were made in the diaspora and we belong where we are.
In contrast the Zionism was extremely antisemitic, only the Hetzel and his buddies were good jews, integrated enough to be “Civilized” while still jewish, bellow them there were Coffehaus jews who were more integrated, and bellow them the OstJews the primitive poor jews (Fiddler on the roof). They hated them, and hope that they will be civilized, and those where only Ashkenazim, other jews barely count because they were of inferior races and primitive “barbarian” cultures.
And when nazis arrived, they struggled with boycotts and sanctions, and zionists made a deal with Hitler, to self ethnically cleanse themselves and pay tariffs and help finance Nazi Germany in the process (Haavara agreement). This also hurt international boycotts, because why Boycott nazis for antisemitism if jews are not following the boycotts.
not sure how much support they gave them, and I wonder if it wasn’t for that support the Nazi state would have collapsed before the Holocaust. but the end result was the survival of Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, which genocided the jews that stayed and the Bund movement.
Actually I do but I’m still glad you shared that. It gets worse than that though. Zionist viewed the traditional “ghetto Jew” with absolute revulsion and operated on a framework of psychological essentialism and social dominance orientation.
Chaim Weizmann, the first president of Israel, didn’t want the Jewish masses saved; he viewed them as an inferior caste. In 1937, reflecting on the fate of Europe’s Jews, he said:
Ze’ev Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism, built his movement on collective narcissism, violently contrasting his ideal new “Hebrew” with the traditional Diaspora Jew (whom he derisively called the “Yid”). He wrote:
Arthur Ruppin, father of Zionist Sociology, openly embraced eugenics and racial hygiene, treating the Jewish diaspora as raw “human material” to be filtered.
David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel, frequently and dismissively referred to Diaspora Jews, including Holocaust survivors arriving in Israel, as “human dust” that had no roots and needed to be entirely forged into something else. He argued for strict selection policies to keep the mentally ill, physically weak, or socially “undesirable” Jews out of Palestine so they wouldn’t pollute the new nationalist project.
Rudolf Kasztner, the Zionist leader in Hungary during WWII, negotiated directly with Adolf Eichmann to secure a rescue train for a few hundred prominent Zionists and wealthy individuals. Meanwhile, he intentionally kept quiet as over 430,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to Auschwitz.
Some brave scholars despite immediately being labeled as antisemitic have explored correlations between language used by Zionists against Jews and how it relates to language used during the Salem witch trials, and finding that the negative perception many in the global community had against Jews was manufactured through deliberate efforts by early Zionists indicating the language itself & stereotypes they perpetuated contributed to later actions by Nazi Germany.
the more I learn about zionism the more disappointed I am in humanity
bibi’s father was part of those buddies wasn’t he? they were also called irgun or something right?
What a weird and suggestive way to say that. If I was trying to bait people into calling me anti-semitic, that would be a perfect idea to accomplish that.
what about this involves jews? this is israel and there is nothing jewish about those zionist pieces of shit.
Israel ISNT every single Jew on Earth? WHY are you SO Anti Semetic!
-The ADL!
Well, over 70% of Israel is Jewish and I don’t think it is the remainder going to war against majority Muslim countries. So it seems to involve a pretty big portion.
nope. separation of the classes is the first step to realizing you are being propagandized. nazi netanyahoo is not jewish, even if he says he is. he’s a zionist and a capitalist.
a faith is not doing this genocide. zionists are.
I’m not saying all Jews are doing genocide at all. Just that saying “Jews have nothing to do with this” is absolutely categorical nonsense. Zionism is inextricably linked to Judaism. Not necessarily the other way around.
Thinking Zionism is linked to Judaism is just knowing what the word means.
zionism was created by capitalists, some of whom happened to be Jewish. the whole point is that it muddies the waters on “who to hate” on purpose, because we should be hating the capitalists.
the problem is not Jews. and i know you’re not saying “all jews” - but when people say things like “the jews want to die”, ignoring the obvious stupidity of that, they miss an opportunity to put the focus on the real group causing this world to implode: zionists and capitalists.
Don’t disagree with all that. Very clear.
hey. just wanted to say thank you. i enjoy “debates” as much as they can be called “debates” on threads like this and wish there was a debate team like community. could prob start one! though i never was on any formal debate teams I think it would be cool to have a monthly thread, teams created, two weeks of “research time” and then a curated discussion thread. hrm. anyway all that adhd ramble to say i appreciated your reply.
Back at you. Constructive debate is a pillar of modern reason.
Are Jews protesting in masses, not voting extreme right and condemning Israel government?
Yes. https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/3/29/dozens-detained-in-tel-aviv-as-anti-war-protest-turns-violent
You sure that’s what “in masses” means? Seems to me like a tiny minority. But even then, that’s good.
i mean i knew a guy in the tsahal. He was a christian russian
Besides the obvious issue of conflating religion with politics…
They just had pretty large protests across Israel:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-891473
You have to remember that with “birthright” citizenship, there is a constant stream of new voters who not only aren’t tired of war, they have a personal financial motivation to increase Israel’s borders; they are the “settlers” who steal land rather than buy it.
Loads of Jewish Israelis who have had to serve in the IDF for generations want peace, and have been against Bibi since before he first took office.
90% of them supported the illegal war just like the vast majority support the genocide in Gaza. The Israelis who are demanding peace want it by military domination.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/78-of-jewish-israelis-support-continuing-iran-war-poll/amp/
Its misleading to suggest theres a civil society waiting in the wings. Israel has become a fascist ethnostate.
And youve proven that by linking this article:
I think to clarify this we’d have to start with counting…
And they just passed the death penalty solely for Palestinians. But people like you will still defend these Nazis
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Those school girls didn’t see it coming.
all reports seem to indicate that the US was responsible for that, not Israel. But whatever, you already have a emotional narrative so why let facts get in the way…
they were hamas
Schools and universities and hospitals, and some residential buildings. I do agree that they have been very precise.
Only one of these things can be true
lmao yes, like in gaza, they only killed terrorists /s
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