I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
This is a bullshit without context.
Cutting off trade with Spain would mean cutting off trade with the whole EU.
So this is embarrassing non-news.
Only thing I saw in a German headline article at all about this topic was a comment about how Merz did not tell Trump that fact (again…🙄) directly at the mentioned meeting.
Yesterday: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Today: Spain is a terrible country, really, one of the worst in Europe, we’re going to cut off all trade with them, we don’t want anything to do with them, and many people agree, and I know many important leaders, they’re my friends, and they love me, really they do, and they all agree, except maybe that Pedro Sánchez guy, lazy Pedro I call him, but I don’t know, sleepy Sánchez, well he wouldn’t, would he, because he’s the king of Spain, and did you know they’re still a monarchy, truly terrible system of government, and a bad country and I never liked their pie-ella, it’s not a good dish, I mean, come on, it doesn’t even compare to a Big Mac or anything, and there’s no fries, and people all agree, everyone agrees, and they love, me, they do, they say 'Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Tomorrow: Spain is a terrific country, really, it is, I mean, one of the the best in Europe, many say the best, and they love me there, they really, do, all of, I mean, the best Spainians, they love, me, they do, they say Donald you’re the best US president for us, ever, better than all the others, they were losers and didn’t understand Europe, but you do, you’re the best, possibly the best leader of any country, of all time, and I do, I understand Europe, propably, better than anyone else…
Wait, Europe? That can’t be right, why do they speak like South Americans then?
The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.
They aren’t even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.
Did you mean consistent?
Congruent:
Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.
“¡Come mierda, pinche guero cagaleche!”
Good job on the Republican Party for being complicit in our current president continuing to absolutely wreck the global image of the U.S. on top of everything else.
Yeah it’s the voters you need to blame here.
They or their lack of participation put them there.
They can get them out too, now, if they want.
“Blame the lambs being led to the slaughter, not the shepherds who gave them no choice.”
You’re a truly enlightened genius who is contributing greatly to the cause.
Eh, I say blame both. They’re sapient lambs.
That’s reasonable. The voters bear some responsibility, but it needs to be acknowledged that the system is set up so they have as little power as possible while maintaining the illusion of democracy.
You are not lamb without agency. You can change this if you actually wanted to.
Every. Single. Time.
It’s on the voters. Stop whining through another piece of philosophy.
“Don’t complain about your leaders. It’s your fault.” Is not the convincing argument you think it is.
The leaders the voters repeatedly put there
It’s a lot better than blaming everything outside the genuine reason. Probably the reason it isn’t convincing to Americans is because they can’t take responsibility for it.
Obviously it makes a difference; the Republican voters use it well enough. The people they elected are trying to stop potential Democrat voters from doing it.
Just take some fucking responsibility.
Good job on Spain for having a spine
Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
Let’s hope the rest of europe finally understands Trump ain’t their friend and never was
The rest of europe is mostly right-wing.
As an Spaniard, this is the bare minimum I expect from my government. Better yet would be to evict the US from the Rota and Morón bases.
Spain is jumping a sinking ship. Kudos for being first.
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
It’s the ones that he won that count.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.We (EU) support democracy and human rights,
Many migrants on boats would disagree, as well as many African nations.
Still leagues better than the US though.EU has helped a lot boat migrants, and it’s not a human right to enter EU.
EU has helped a lot boat migrants,
I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation is generally a good thing,
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70’s.
There were also massive protests against that war in the 70’s, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70’s than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.That’s still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call “the 70s.” That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let’s not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also… uh… mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you’re conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.
Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I’m not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.
As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70’s, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70’s than early 70’s.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70’s, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70’s compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s.
Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It’s hard to argue that things weren’t somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but… so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What’s your point here?
Main exports:
USA to Spain: Petroleum
Spain to USA: Refined PetroleumNow, I’m sure this is bad business for both parts, but it’s a helluva lot worse practically for USA to be without refined petroleum than it is for Spain not to have petroleum to refine.
Anyway, I’ll make sure to eat double the amount of Spanish tomatoes this week.
The next President is going to have so much work to do repair country relations. This man thinks he is king of the world and can do whatever he wants.
I suspect you’re significantly more screwed than just one next president.
Insert It’s Joeover Biden meme.
The sooner the US realizes there is no coming back from this, no matter who is elected in future - the better.
There is no coming back from this because US dollar dominance is waning. Internal American decay is either secondary to that, or a symptom of that, or both. That’s what’s really behind the scenes in all of this (that and Israel’s dreams of their own Zionazi Lebensraum, Eretz Israel).
The US used to be able to exert soft power to control the world, which lends itself much more towards moral superiority and an air of legitimacy than “do what I say or I bomb you or kidnap your president”. BRICS, mostly-failed Russian sanctions, and the slow death of the petrodollar are changing that ability. That they’re so desperate to maintain dominance that they now resort to borderline-world-war levels of violence is not an indicator of their strength to the world, it’s the desperate death throes of the old world order.
The important thing is that the US Empire (so Israel as well) is stopped before they can reach a fully automated army and/or police force, because that’s violence that obeys without compunction. If it reaches that point, it’s a whole different game.
Why? What does that even accomplish, the only move there is to make is to start grinding away to repair things
Cause in either 4 or 8 years the US will vote in another Trump, but younger and smarter. Trump might go someday but his bullshit, neoliberal, hypercapitalistic, super charged climate change, pro-billionaire, pro-corporation, anti-free trade ideas won’t
Yep, they’ve been voting this kind of lunatic in for years.
You’re right, they’ll do it again or won’t care.
The problem is that we know what’s to blame, so I’m not sure if the next president will alter the view now in many peoples eyes.
The problem is the people. They aren’t willing to do their national duty when it’s required, including now. They’ve mouthed off for years about how they and their second amendment right stops this kind of shit happening and have always been quick to criticise other democracies about their policing, control and lack of freedom.
Still, now, the only thing that can stop this, stop it all, are the citizens of the US. They won’t do it, though, and we’ll get a heap of excuses as to why.
So no, the next president won’t make any difference to me, what will is what the American people, whose feet this squarely lies at, do about it. I don’t think I’m alone.
More like the next five. All this damage is gonna take at least a generation to undo.
“thinks” the level of enabling means he is
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Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.
Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
Can’t let perfect be the enemy of good!
You’re paying or seeing ads?
Not meaning lemmy.world (which I’m assuming to be European as the fedihosting foundation IBAN for donations is dutch) but GitHub which is free and (mostly, because copilot ads) adfree because paid with user data
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Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It’s screaming babies all the way down
There’s a joke about the epstein files in there I ain’t gonna make… but it’s there.
Haha. That’s not the image I was going for
The frightening thing is that it often works for him. At least in short term.
His brain is mush. Have you ever been around someone who is losing their mind. Nothing coming out of their mouth makes much sense and most of it is anger.
He did admit he stopped growing/maturing by age 6. It tracks.
The Karen administration.
Infanticide.
Ah Spain, can we interest you in some Canadian products instead?
I found OJ from Spain at Costco last week
Traitor
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Was a joke
Misleading title as nothing happened yet and AFAIK he can’t. EU is a single economic zone.
This is the only comment here that matters. Nothing has happened. Nothing will happen, because Trump is going to piss his pants and scream and moan, and then all of his advisors are going to explain to him for the sixteenth time that the only want to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. No more Ferraris and Lambos. No more guns for their Abrams tanks. No more French cheese and wine. No more US trade to a market of 450 million comparatively wealthy people.
Even the actual headline of the article reads “Trump to cut off all US trade with Spain over refusal to use military bases in Iran war”. Because it hasn’t happened yet. And it won’t. It’s just another empty threat from a pathetic, brainless coward.
Oh something did happen: he managed to piss off more people or piss them off even more than they were.
US products boycott can only gets worse.Well, I’ll grant you that.
They could always just block everything with Spanish origin. But as long as it doesn’t say Made in Spain or clearly list the original sender, it’s easy to just route it through another EU country. Though that could be seen as avoiding an embargo? Depends on the language used I guess. Obviously the EU would not help him enact this blockade.
Doesn’t matter, because if Trump blocks trade with Spain, EU law requires that they shut down all trade with the US, period. Unified Trade Policy; you don’t get to make individual trade deals with EU member states, and you don’t get to selectively accept or reject trade with EU member states. It’s all or nothing. It would be like someone trying to block all trade with Alabama.
The EU is not going to allow falsified place-of-origin papers.
That aside, his ability to impose tariffs without congress approval was just limited, right?
I’m not a US law expert but it would be weird if he couldn’t set a 20% tariff but was allowed to stop trading with a country completely.
I mean, following that line of reasoning he shouldn’t even be able to wage a war just like that, but humor me here…
He actually can implement temporary sanctions but afaik they also fall into another emergency power provision and I don’t know if they can override existing trade deals from congress.
It was legally limited but he immediately imposed new tariffs anyway.
I thought that was under a different legal pretext that caps them at max 15% and for a limited time
Correct. The USSC rejected his claim to be able to impose unlimited tariffs (under a law that says no such thing), which forced him to then rely on an entirely different law that potentially offers him the ability to impose much more restricted tariffs; 15%, for 90 days, and he has to impose them equally across all trading partners. Which is threatening to upend a bunch of the deals they already made.
It’s also likely not legal either, but it’ll have to go through the courts again. This time around it’s because the law he’s now using only applies where there is a “balance of payments” issue; basically, where the US is in danger of running out of actual physical money to make payments with. This literally cannot happen with fiat currencies; it’s a law that was designed to handle issues that can only occur with precious metal backed currencies. This a very real problem that used to happen. I think the most famous example I can bring to mind is the Opium Wars, which basically happened because Britain was buying so much tea from China, while selling them almost nothing in return, that they were running out silver to pay the Chinese with.
