• DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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      Americans are taught from early ages that everywhere life is considerably worse than in the USA. Plus, half of them can barely afford food. How are they supposed to buy a plane ticket?

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        Sell your car, and buy a plane ticket plus your first months accommodation, that’s what I did. In much of Europe you don’t need a car, where in the US that’s not true.

        IDK, look I’m not saying it’s easy at all, moving continents is a very difficult thing trust me I know. Sadly many good things don’t come easy.

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      I did just this about 2.5 years ago because I could see where things were going (and honestly where things were). Could not recommend it more to anyone who thinks it’s a good fit and can make it work.

      It’s like jumping forward in time by 20 years from a human-centric perspective.

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      I mean, yes but it’s really not that easy. You need a visa, lots of paperwork, etc.

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        If I could do it from Africa for a better life, I’m sure Americans can do it from a first world country.

        It’s definitely not easy leaving everything you ever knew behind to live on a different continent but The Pro’s are Healthcare, Employee Rights, Stability, Safety etc. so it’s so worth it for many.

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          Not really. It’s exceptionally difficult for an american to move abroad unless they have an in demand degree, have recent ancestry in the country, have a retirement income, or are rich. Americans can’t generally claim asylum anywhere so that avenue is closed.

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            Yea I get that, the same is true where I’m from. Only a lucky few of us have the option to move if we want to, are willing to make the sacrifices and put in the effort.

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          Sure, but for some the risk/reward part is not the same as if they were coming from a developing country. And although the QoL is better in the EU, the wages are for the most part lower. So there’s tradeoffs.

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            One thing living in the EU has taught me is how valuable Work Life Balance is. Where I’m from working overtime, being burnt out and not having job security is normal.

            You have no idea how nice it is to have 25 days paid leave each year, full job security and basically never having to work overtime.

            I would pick that over a 30% higher salary any day of the week. Work to Live, don’t Live to Work.

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              I’ve experienced both and yeah, agreed. Labour rights and good wellbeing >>>> a fat stack of money. Money can’t buy everything. Even in a capitalist society wellbeing is also possible without money - have a community garden, and a gift network with a give-it-forward system, for example.

              Sure, in a capitalist system, if you ignore other options like the above, a little bit is needed - and if you have a ton of money you could never work again, but you’ll also be too stressed to enjoy it - cause the only way to get there without being born rich, is tax evasion and stressworking yourself to death. And it costs far more to support a police force than to just abolish capitalism.

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            The highest wages are indeed lower, but disposable income is higher (due to lower CoL), higher QoL, more stability, less need for emergency fund (due to robust healthcare, unemployment support, worker’s rights, less guns, etc.) and cheaper accommodation.

            You can buy a good house with a yard from $20-30 k in famously expensive Sweden (although you’ll need a car then as well at another $2-12 k). In the IG reel I saw it also included a couple hectares of industrial forest you can farm to offset costs.

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                Can’t say I checked closely, saw it on an IG reel that showed a bunch of properties priced thereabouts at a couple hours drive from the large cities.

                They also made it clear that you wouldn’t be able to find that in any city.

                I took a couple minutes to dig up the tool they used: hemnet.se so you could have a look yourself.

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      problem is that nazi germany was not a world power to start with the largest military and nuclear weapons. Best way to help the eu is to stop whats happening in the us from being completed.