But Genesis 3:16 seemingly has God setting man above woman, so a Christian could just use that instead.
To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
I suppose you could argue it only applies to a husband and wife, or possibly even just Adam and Eve specifically, but that seems unlikely given the first part applies to women as a whole.
There’s also Timothy 2:11-13, and Christians tend to hold the new testament in high regard.
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
(from the NIV for both)
So it seems like the Bible explicitly has God himself commanding sexism, rather than it needing to be inferred from symbolism.
To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
This is God’s response to Eve eating the forbidden fruit. Old Testament God is a petty asshole who likes to spank his kids when they misbehave, but this is all about something Eve did, not something that Eve is. Nothing in the Genesis story suggests that women were made a priori to have less dignity or less value than men, and God frequently punishes men in the Old Testament as well.
As for the Timothy stuff, that all comes from Paul the apostle. You didn’t ever find Jesus saying these things about women, it’s just Paul being an incel.
At least old Testament God was straight up about being an arsehole. People are pretending like sending people to hell for eternity because you had the audacity to grow up not in a Christian household, isn’t straight up narcissistic behaviour.
Believe in me with no evidence, otherwise I’m damning you for all time. Even if I’m the one who let you be born into a particular region or family.
The tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? The one that teaches you good and evil when you eat it (meaning you don’t have that understanding prior)? That one? Makes so much sense.
this is all about something Eve did, not something that Eve is.
Except the first sentence applies to all mothers who ever were. It is literally about what women are. Mr Omnipotent couldn’t figure out how to punish Eve without punishing all her daughters throughout all eternity? The mental acrobatics required to not interpret that verse as a call to sexism are olympics-level.
I don’t actually have a vested interest in doing the mental gymnastics either way. But I do find it fascinating how deeply knowledgeable and creative some people get in order to pretend that the Bible is actually woke lmao.
Mr Omnipotent couldn’t figure out how to punish Eve without punishing all her daughters throughout all eternity?
Exactly. So much bizarre, convoluted shit in the Bible (including the entire scheme of sending himself to earth as a human to become a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Sin, and the idea of sacrifice to clean it, are themselves a concept entirely invented by god, but whatever) makes no sense in the context of an omnipotent god.
Just do the fucking thing.
He loves me, but he doomed me from birth to spend an eternity in torture? Sounds like an abusive relationship to me.
But Genesis 3:16 seemingly has God setting man above woman, so a Christian could just use that instead.
I suppose you could argue it only applies to a husband and wife, or possibly even just Adam and Eve specifically, but that seems unlikely given the first part applies to women as a whole.
There’s also Timothy 2:11-13, and Christians tend to hold the new testament in high regard.
(from the NIV for both)
So it seems like the Bible explicitly has God himself commanding sexism, rather than it needing to be inferred from symbolism.
A couple of things:
This is God’s response to Eve eating the forbidden fruit. Old Testament God is a petty asshole who likes to spank his kids when they misbehave, but this is all about something Eve did, not something that Eve is. Nothing in the Genesis story suggests that women were made a priori to have less dignity or less value than men, and God frequently punishes men in the Old Testament as well.
As for the Timothy stuff, that all comes from Paul the apostle. You didn’t ever find Jesus saying these things about women, it’s just Paul being an incel.
At least old Testament God was straight up about being an arsehole. People are pretending like sending people to hell for eternity because you had the audacity to grow up not in a Christian household, isn’t straight up narcissistic behaviour.
Believe in me with no evidence, otherwise I’m damning you for all time. Even if I’m the one who let you be born into a particular region or family.
If God were a person, he’d have no friends.
(Just me being salty)
The tree of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? The one that teaches you good and evil when you eat it (meaning you don’t have that understanding prior)? That one? Makes so much sense.
Except the first sentence applies to all mothers who ever were. It is literally about what women are. Mr Omnipotent couldn’t figure out how to punish Eve without punishing all her daughters throughout all eternity? The mental acrobatics required to not interpret that verse as a call to sexism are olympics-level.
I don’t actually have a vested interest in doing the mental gymnastics either way. But I do find it fascinating how deeply knowledgeable and creative some people get in order to pretend that the Bible is actually woke lmao.
Exactly. So much bizarre, convoluted shit in the Bible (including the entire scheme of sending himself to earth as a human to become a sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Sin, and the idea of sacrifice to clean it, are themselves a concept entirely invented by god, but whatever) makes no sense in the context of an omnipotent god.
Just do the fucking thing.
He loves me, but he doomed me from birth to spend an eternity in torture? Sounds like an abusive relationship to me.
Many scholars believe Paul didn’t even write Timothy.