China on Thursday accused the United States of “fabricating spy narratives” to justify a technology “blockade”, stepping up its pushback against reports that the woman Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang had an affair with was a Chinese intelligence asset.
Idk about that, she literally smuggled the chips into China.
Exactly: she’s not a spy; she’s a smuggler. China has been trying to stop chip smuggling, which is why hundreds of thousands of NVIDIA chips have piled up in Hong Kong. China is doing this because its trying to develop its own domestic chip manufacturing in order to be independent. I highly doubt that she’s a spy for the Chinese state considering that, as a chip smuggler, she’s a been a thorn in their side.
They got tons of GPUs (mostly 5090s) that they are tearing apart for chips in China so spy or not China definitely had a shady deal with Nvidia.
Can someone from .ml explain to me how she actually isn’t a Chinese asset who approached Jensen Huang a year ago and didn’t use him to push Trump to approve the sale of AI chips to China even tho there was a ban so Trump could make boat loads on Nvidia stock?
Not from ML but do you have evidence that she is a Chinese spy?
Well, I don’t work for the government (and if I did, this isn’t exactly the warthunder forums), and I’m not a journalist either. So I’m in the same boat as every other informed reader.
I think the easiest argument is that you don’t need a grand Chinese conspiracy to explain mutually aligned self interest…
Jenson Huang has been in support of open-weight AI development and by extension selling to any and everyone both on a personal philosophical level and from a basic profit-driven perspective as the CEO of the company selling the mining tools for the gold rush.
Nvidia as a basic profit-seeking firm pursuing a profit and sustainability growth strategy has a vested interest in seeing Nvidia chips in Chinese data centers and having Chinese AI companies using Nvidia chips over huawei or someone else. Again, they are the people selling the mining tools for the gold rush. Of course they want to be the main supplier in the biggest gold rush markets with the deepest pockets.
And Trump’s lifestream is sustained by McDonalds and grifting.
Everything that has taken place is basically exactly what these people have wanted to do with or without this person in place.
Maybe she’s an asset, maybe she’s not. But it feels like a bit of a red herring that I am not sure what I am supposed to do with it if it is the case she’s an asset? Other then be a shocked and horrified peasant that will not question when the US government moves to intensify the Cold War posture and put more protectionism around US AI and chip manufacturing that moves us closer to a cartelification of the tech manufacturing and AI industry that all the AI ceo’s want to happen.
She just wanted access to GPUs. Whether many went illegally to China, or legally to datacenters that serve Chines market, is just a bigger scale of what I offer every day for a 5090. Doesn’t make either of us a spy. Bitch is just prettier than me.
The problem with that, is China had to have been aware she was smuggling Nvidia chips out of Singapore thru her company…
China holds a stake in every Chinese company, and it’s not just on paper, government officials get access to everything.
Which is why the line between corpo spying and government spying is virtually non existent. Especially when the Chinese government doesn’t hold anyone accountable.
Doesn’t break any Chinese laws to import GPUs. China’s production capacity for high end GPUs is still not high enough to meet all demand. Jensen’s fraud of “Must make China use Nvidia tech stack” was always a lie because Huwei GPUs are cuda compatible. Huwei clusters also outperform Nvidia on $/networked flops and $/vram.
This front has been known for over a year. You can find Reuters or the Guardian reporting on it.
And while you are overstating Chinese corporate ownership(its more like having stakes in companies that compose 60% of their GDP, and a lot of that is concentrated in the commanding heights and the rest is often minority stakes through state linked investment firms), that sort of just makes any and everyone a “spy” for the CCP if that is the criteria.
Which then sort of makes that designation functionally useless and taken to it’s logical conclusion would mean any romantic relationship with Chinese business leaders by Americans in positions of influence or power is fraternizing with a spy
And from there what exactly is the allegation? Nvidia has a vested interest in wanting their products to be integral to AI everywhere. Including China. This is not a viewpoint Huang just established last year. It’s been his perspective from the jump, and part of a broader libertarian ethos.
Frankly, I would be asking who benefits domestically for this becoming a zeitgeist moment right now given the only thing truly new is the second affair? Like who might benefit from pushing out a CEO that supports open-weight AI strategies favored by China and putting government pressure on the company to shift away from that business strategy?
(its more like having stakes in companies that compose 60% of their GDP, and a lot of that is concentrated in the commanding heights and the rest is often minority stakes through state linked investment firms),
Nope:
The overarching goal was to weave the party “comprehensively” into the fabric of the economy’s private sector (Central Organization Department, 2012). Local authorities were directed to establish special agencies to support this goal and firms were requested to seek guidance from local party leaders on important managerial decisions. Further, governments were mandated to use firm-based party cells to advance party-related policy beyond the reach of formal state institutions. The service-oriented character of party organisation was also underlined in a Central Committee document from 2014. While mainly addressing party cells in public organisations, it stipulated that company-based party cells should assist corporate production and operation, and serve as the central mechanism for political leadership of a company’s development (政治引领, zhengzhi yinling) (General Office of the Central Committee, 2014).
The 2012 central regulation was personally endorsed by Xi Jinping in several speeches (Xinhua, 2012). The intervention of the top party leadership contributed to a rapid increase in the percentage of private businesses with a party cell embedded in their organisation: from 21 per cent in 2010 to 73 per cent in 2017 (Koss, 2021: 229). Among China’s top 500 private companies, 92 per cent had established party cells by 2020 (Chinese Private Enterprise Survey, 2020). Nevertheless, implementation efforts encountered various challenges, including the lack of clear and specific guidelines, instances where business owners co-opted party organisations for their own benefit, and a significant number of inactive party cells (Yan and Huang, 2017).
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/18681026261445459
They literally have to have government official embedded in their corporations
Yes, many, if not most companies inside their strategically defined industries(the commanding heights in particular) have party cadre in some capacity. I never disputed that
It is not literally every company though.
And furthermore your own citation hints at the next key point, what this functionally means and looks like varies and it’s functional relationship to the core CCP leadership is even more diffuse at times.
The system is designed to ensure Chinese capitalism remains in it’s “birdcage” and key sectors will stay aligned with larger industrial policy. Yes, I am well aware of this.
But again, the core point I was making is that that sort of criteria just makes any and everyone a “spy” for the CCP.
Which then sort of makes that designation functionally useless and taken to it’s logical conclusion would mean any romantic relationship with Chinese business leaders by Americans in positions of influence or power is fraternizing with a spy.
And so what then is the actual allegation? And why did it take a year to scandalize it?
Local authorities were directed to establish special agencies to support this goal and firms were requested to seek guidance from local party leaders on important managerial decisions.
And?
Do you have a point beyond dragging me along as you slowly educate yourself(poorly) about the Chinese party cadre system thru your reactionary lens?
At this point I’m just going to accept this is something a week old account with less than 50 comments can understand…
I’ll see you on your next account I guess.
Or, you could you know actually address the core points I raised(including inside your own citation that noted how this system is far more nuanced and complex then you seem to grasp) instead of whatever this pedantry is supposed to be achieving?
Like I suspect, but I don’t want to assume, that your implication is that this cadre system is itself proof by its mere existence towards the larger Chinese honeypot conspiracy being speculated. And probably rooted in some deeper China-phobic understanding of how the Chinese political and economic system itself operates. And that butts up with an internalized belief in a neoliberal worldview that has never really questioned the core social relationship between the state and private capital and by extension how many of the implications you are putting forward with your logic chain could apply to US CEO’s too. Or more accurately, could apply to all our politicians that are co-dependent to corporate money and capitalist billionaires and a state designed to uphold that system. Thus it is in fact just as possible to make a similar argument that every US CEO or politician is a asset for the US empire.
But the question still remains, what is the charge I am supposed to be outraged about here? And is there any proof of some deeper charge beyond someone that may or may not be a Chinese asset engaging in business both had a pre-existing interest in engaging in?
Haha, sure China. It’s not like the current US administration actually needs an excuse or legal basis for their policies these days.
