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New European car registrations of Tesla vehicles totaled 8,837 in July, down 40% year-on-year, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, or ACEA.

BYD recorded 13,503 new registrations in July, up 225% annually.

Elon Musk’s automaker faces a number of challenges in Europe, including intense ongoing competition and reputational damage to the brand.

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    Tesla’s high failure rate is primarily due to rust on the brakes from people using regen. Rust will form on all brakes if left unused, it’s just a matter of using them. There was also an issue with the front suspension that required a service bulletin at the time that was legit, but wasn’t a saftey thing.

    There’s a few things that could lead to Tesla having higher rust rates over other EVs

    • Tesla might have stronger regen so people use the brakes less.
    • Tesla has a strong 1 pedal driving option which further reduces braking if enabled [0 brake pedal usage needed to come to complete stop, it will blend in brakes for the last few km/h]
    • For cars that use blended braking anywhere, they may initiate it sooner than later.

    Either way on an EV, you need to use your brakes on occasion or rust will form. Using the brakes clears the rust.

    Edit: Essentially, this is a case of the facts are true, but the facts don’t always tell the whole truth. If you walk away from reading about this report thinking Tesla is the least reliable car, you’ve been mislead, unintentionally or not.

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      Tesla’s high failure rate is primarily due to rust

      This is not true, although it is a common point of failure for Electric vehicles, it is not the primary fault, slack in the steering is.
      Rust on the brakes is a very well known issue for all electric cars. Problem for Tesla is that the first security check coincide with the last service check under warranty.
      Regulation regarding rust on the brake discs is very clear, and trivial to fix. So why wasn’t it fixed?
      There was also a common issue with suspension.

      No matter what or why a 30% failure rate is insane. The best cars (from VW) have only just above 2% failure rate!!

      Either way on an EV, you need to use your brakes on occasion

      This is true, and has been widely publicized here in all newspapers, so mostly any owner of an electric car should know that.
      But more obviously the Tesla service should absolutely have known, and fixed the issue before the mandatory safety check.
      Again no other car is even close to as bad as Tesla.

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        Regulation regarding rust on the brake discs is very clear, and trivial to fix. So why wasn’t it fixed?

        It’s not something to “fix” like that.

        It’s there one day and its not the next. If it’s there, you fail.

        It just depends on if you’re using them or not and the weather at the time. If you take the time to go to a shop for a pre-inspection (not everyone will), and they see rust, they’ll just tell you to go use your brakes. That’s the fix.

        Tesla wasn’t going to be last if not for this rust issue.

        Edit: Just to be more clear - If you drive your car in the rain, park it for a few days or even overnight and check it, you’ll have rust. You don’t fix that in any way other than using them. OEMs don’t just fix that.

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          Tesla wasn’t going to be last if not for this rust issue.

          First that is simply wrong, did you not see the biggest point of failure is in the steering? The brakes are not what makes Tesla worst, it’s the general shitty quality and service.

          Tesla wouldn’t be last if they didn’t have any faults… duh.

          Tesla is so much worse than everybody else in several regards, remove the brake problem and they would still be worst. Also it’s completely irrelevant, if Tesla has this issue more than other cars it makes them worse. You might as well say they aren’t bad except for the wheels falling off all the time.
          Other brands exist under the same physical laws, but don’t have as many issues as Tesla, also these issue for Tesla are not isolated to Denmark, in Germany we see a similar picture, Tesla has higher failure rate than any other brand.

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            Oh shit, I didn’t realize this was Denmark, i was thinking of the German one. In the German one, Tesla was only 1-2% above the next worst one which wasn’t an EV. And the reason Tesla would have more issues with rust is the reasons I listed above.

            Where do you see the actual numbers/ranking the article you posted doesn’t show that, but the first thing it calls out is brakes (among all the others)

            Edit this is the quote from the article

            It is especially the fault groups “brake equipment”, “lamping equipment”, “axles, wheels and tires” and “controlldom” that the cars fail

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              I tried to find an article with better info, but I couldn’t, the info was available a couple of months ago. Search engines just wont give me those articles.
              But IMO it doesn’t really matter if it’s rust on the brakes, the brakes need to work in emergencies where regenerative braking is not enough.
              You don’t get a pass for not using your brakes much in your daily driving. It’s a serious safety issue and not just some minor thing that isn’t important.
              Tesla not having this under control shows that Tesla is not a good brand for safety.

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                It’s not a serious saftey issue at the level that would fail the car.

                If you are gung ho on regen and never use/clear your brakes, you could definitely get to the point of it being legitimately dangerous, and that 100% needs to be found during an inspection and resolved, but that’s not what’s happening here in a lot of cases. This isn’t a OEM problem, it’s driver education around something entirely new problem. There are a lot of signs that something is wrong before it gets dangerous.

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                  It’s not a serious saftey issue at the level that would fail the car.

                  That’s weird statement when it clearly does, and you even claimed yourself it was the main reason for failing for Tesla.