have they tried putting more more ai in it? the investors all agreed this was the best solution!
Trouble is, the web for which the PageRank algorithm was developed has long since died - its highly decentralized, interlinked network of freely available information has almost entirely been replaced by centralized, account-gated silos. Web search engines, in turn, have gotten progressively worse since long before LLMs had become computationally feasible.
much of that, both the centralization opposed to search and the search degradation to force more searches and serve more adds, like the removal of advanced search operators, was deliberate.
Eventually, yes. But many people don’t like hearing that the vast majority of them, the users, didn’t want to pay for the operating costs of a global search engine when the web got popular. Neither as customers of a company, nor via government spending as a public service, and definitely not through donations.
Hence, given the economic system we live in, the people running search engines had to find some means of funding, which turned out to be selling their users’ data and serving them ads. Once they had gone down that path the rest became more or less inevitable.
I don’t think users would ever be in a position to cover the many hundreds of billions in revenue that Google found. Yeah, somebody has to pay the running costs, but there’s a place where the search engine could exist by just covering the running costs, without making infinite profit on top.
Technically they still made more money. They just made less than their projections by about a billion dollars.
Not only make less money, but literally pay money for people to engage with it for free
Google’s AI results are what finally got me to switch my default search engine to noai.duckduckgo.
You can set it with
in your web browser settings.
Edit: posting here keeps adding a “25” after the percent sign and before “s&noai=”. You don’t need the number there.
Running a local search aggregator that’s been great - degoog.
Kagi, ecosia, quant, ddg! Searxng for the nerds
Try:
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?q=%25sI ran ddg for a while it got crappy. I’ve since moved to kagi
The idea is cool but I think I’ll pass.
Naturally not everyone can afford $5 a month for a superior product. Have you tried yahoo search?
Pay for the product or be the product. I like having customizable search that works and isn’t filled with ads and features I don’t want. Or in the case of ddg, I like being able to search news and not ending up on MSN fucking constantly (because Bing)…
With that said, there’s also mojeek and searx, worth trying.
Yeah DDG is really bad at filtering AI slop from the search results. You can turn the AI summaries off but 90% of the hits will often just be blogs written by ChatGPT
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same
They ruined their search engine too
They did that even before AI. Sponsored links and worse results, so people go to the dreaded page 2 more often, showing even more sponsored links and ads. And they say capitalism makes things run efficiently…
you don’t understand! if everything only exists as byproducts of scams, we will get the best most efficient scams!
It wasn’t solely their fault, people gaming the ranking algorithms also did disastrous damage.
Because they wanted more clicks so they’d make more money from the ads served by… Google.
It was entirely their fault.
True, though it’s not like Google is/was the only company serving ads.
oh, there were two big pedophiles do Jeff EPs was actually fine and basically a good guy.
Not what they are arguing. :|
that’s not what your mom said.
It gets even better. The trillion dollar chatbot is not only killing the basis for search but its very own as well: All those content creators, small ones, large ones, commercial ones. They all are dying because of it, yet the chatbot needs constant feeding to stay alive, and will poison itself if fed on its own content. … This will be fun.
What you’re describing is cancer. Takes nutrition from neighbouring cells to grow infinitely ultimately destroying its own host. Kind of like AI and their constant need for water, energy, land and human data.
Not quite. Cancer can reproduce itself but it can’t sustain itself. AI cannot reproduce itself nor sustain itself. Even if AI bros would like to make it look as if they were not in control of their LLM while committing crimes, they are.
Bullshit. AI overview is the only thing that stopped the death of Google.
Your opinion != objective truths
I don’t run into or use much AI, but Gemini seems to be the worst I encounter. It does pretty well at presenting facts and summations, but I’ve found it wrong enough times to be leary.
It’s temporary. They’ll start shutting down the non-AI alternatives soon enough and there will be grumbling, but people will fall in line like they always do. This is a minor hit. It’s them mentioning that people aren’t feeding enough into the dumpster fire, but they’re simultaneously sealing off more and more exits.
Oh, none of these companies make money! They parasite off from governments practicing free market “Liberalism” giving them cash and contracts and they do pump and dump stock trading schemes to get good valuations, big investments and big bank loans then just time the accruing and dispersal of their debts carefully.
At some point the investments and saving accounts just start self-reproducing money because we don’t have an economy that expects organizations to have a trillion dollars… So it’s for practical purposes an infinite money glitch.
They don’t make money they just acquire enough of it that the money starts reproducing.
if you believe in healthy capitalism, every billionaire needs to be killed in brutal public ways.
if you don’t believe in capitalism every billionaire needs to be killed and you probably have some anger you want to work out on them.
Also, I’m sure all of that doesn’t cause/contribute to inflation \s
Their search results have been unusable for years.
Money is only a means to power. If they get the power through other means, them losing money indicates nothing about their success.
“Take away” search? We just making shit up now?
Idk my IRL friends subscribe to the gibbity and they like that they dont have to search reddit for answers.
Sad world we are in guys. No one IRL dislikes “ai”.
I don’t see what people liking it has to do with the fact Google is making less money due to the ai summaries meaning people aren’t clicking sponsored links.
Unless you think everyone you met likes it enough to start paying a monthly fee for it? Because I’ll bet they like it, but like it while it’s free
Um…they do. Several of my friends have a gibbity subscription (they pay monthly) and they love it. my employer pays 3500 a month for a gibbity subscription. .
Baffling how dumb people are.
Must the circles you run in. I literally know no individuals who have subscriptions. Businesses, yeah, but individuals no. Businesses are the kind of client that will look closely at the cost vs benefits and move to cheaper options (eg locally hosted models that do 90% of what the subscription does at 40% of the cost)
are you high? I had three conversations on the train this week. everyone hates this shit except delusional douchebros. maybe your friends are just stupid. or made up.
Well Google is making less money, so I am sure it’s not no one.
But I share your experience. My apartment complex (180 units) is very close knit, we are all similar income so it’s not a very diverse group. But, amongst us, most people don’t even realize they are using AI, they just see it as an update of the already existing Google Search which was also a mystery to them. People that do recognize it as a new thing have ChatGPT on their phone and love the thing.
There’s a slight chance that these companies aren’t losing money because of lack of adoption, but because of how expensive it is to train and keep these things operating.
Really funny how you got downvotes for suggesting people could like it. Even though you preface that it’s a sad fact.
Yeah its OK. I probably interact with more people IRL than other lemmings. And its bad out there. Normie’s in general loooove their slop bots. It stems from a lot of humans being idiots in general but also verrrrry tech illiterate.
I’m not a basement dweller because I can’t afford one.
Fuck you my Lemmy room is in the attic.
Yyessss
Ironically I do like my basement. But i also have a life outside
I am not sure they are idiots. We do the same as them on other domain that got industrialised sooner in history. Most of us buy clothes pre-made by industries we know being evil. We know the pollution is huge, we know it involve child labour, we know the clothes are of poor quality and soon to be out of fashion anyway. But it is cheaper and more convenient than to buy our clothes hand made at some tailor.
We also do the same for fournitures, and some of us even buy industrial food.
Why would they prefer human made things just for IT domain? And if we reject machine made things in IT, why do we accept it in other domains?
But it is cheaper and more convenient than to buy our clothes hand made at some tailor.
more convenient? definitely. cheaper? y’all making me grateful for my tailor.
I think I’ve only encountered clearly anti AI people twice IRL. What I found kinda ironic is how they both parroted the same anti AI talking points I’ve already seen online multiple times.
Well yeah, I’d imagine anti ai folk are largely technical because we actually know what’s going on, and are probably more likely to be on something like the fediverse. Normies just go oh, google has sure gotten shitty and then they keep using it.
