When I first read this, I felt, “yeah, fuck those guys” But thinking more about it, the elite Russians with actual power already have residency or citizenship in EU. Spies can enter EU without the tourist visa. This might end up just impacting the anti-Z Russians.
Do you need tourist visa to ask for asylum? All the people crossing border in Ceuta ask for asylums without visas. Once you crossed the border it doesn’t matter if you have a visa or not, you can request asylum. And I think Russia/Belarus/Macedonia/whatever will not stop you from leaving if you don’t have a EU visa. You will be able to reach EU and as for asylum without a visa.
Just recently a man crossed the border from Kaliningrad to get asylum in Lietuva (not the best option but it was the closest). He got denied and now he’s facing jail time in Russia for his social media posts.
If you have a RIGHT to apply it doesn’t mean you’re gonna get approved. There are some anecdotes for denying Russians asking for asylum (or another type of visa, I don’t recall exactly) for having a criminal record in Russia for the exact thing they were trying to run away from (it’s usually donations or social media posts “discrediting” russian army)!
Yes, but if he had tourist visa he would still be denied this asylum and deported, right? Tourist visa might help him stay in EU illegally but it would not help him get asylum.
Bureaucracy is a bitch, unfortunately. Sometimes it’s much better, according to immigration “experts” (people who analyze asylum cases and help with all the docs), to arrive as a tourist and try to find a time slot to present the case.
Thank you for thinking a bit more than a regular reactionist. This ban will hardly help with EU’s “defense”, and it’s certainly not going to make an ordinary Russian angrier at their government because it’s too fucking expensive to go to EU anyway.
Yeah, some middle-class moskali will cry about it a bit, but above everything else it will make leaving Russia for people in danger more difficult. But yeah, it’s gonna give an illusion that EU finally does something decisive for Ukraine (cough-cough, >4.5 years of the invasion).
When I first read this, I felt, “yeah, fuck those guys” But thinking more about it, the elite Russians with actual power already have residency or citizenship in EU. Spies can enter EU without the tourist visa. This might end up just impacting the anti-Z Russians.
Meh, how useful is a tourist visa for an asylum seeker? I think that’s what we should support them with.
Very useful, ask any LGBT refugee from Russia or Belarus in Spain, Germany, Netherlands or almost any other EU country.
Do you need tourist visa to ask for asylum? All the people crossing border in Ceuta ask for asylums without visas. Once you crossed the border it doesn’t matter if you have a visa or not, you can request asylum. And I think Russia/Belarus/Macedonia/whatever will not stop you from leaving if you don’t have a EU visa. You will be able to reach EU and as for asylum without a visa.
Just recently a man crossed the border from Kaliningrad to get asylum in Lietuva (not the best option but it was the closest). He got denied and now he’s facing jail time in Russia for his social media posts.
If you have a RIGHT to apply it doesn’t mean you’re gonna get approved. There are some anecdotes for denying Russians asking for asylum (or another type of visa, I don’t recall exactly) for having a criminal record in Russia for the exact thing they were trying to run away from (it’s usually donations or social media posts “discrediting” russian army)!
Yes, but if he had tourist visa he would still be denied this asylum and deported, right? Tourist visa might help him stay in EU illegally but it would not help him get asylum.
Bureaucracy is a bitch, unfortunately. Sometimes it’s much better, according to immigration “experts” (people who analyze asylum cases and help with all the docs), to arrive as a tourist and try to find a time slot to present the case.
That’s fair.
Thank you for thinking a bit more than a regular reactionist. This ban will hardly help with EU’s “defense”, and it’s certainly not going to make an ordinary Russian angrier at their government because it’s too fucking expensive to go to EU anyway.
Yeah, some middle-class moskali will cry about it a bit, but above everything else it will make leaving Russia for people in danger more difficult. But yeah, it’s gonna give an illusion that EU finally does something decisive for Ukraine (cough-cough, >4.5 years of the invasion).
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a reactionist, whatever that is.”
It makes it much harder to infiltrate us. Right now our gates are wide open and barbarians are just pouring in.
Barbarians? Are all Russians barbarians? Are the anti Z Russians barbarians?
And are they really pouring in? Are you suffocating from too many Russians? I’m genuinely asking, as I don’t know your experience.
They’s got Russians under their bed and in their closet right now.
This may be arguably the most fascistic thing I’ve read on Lemmy.
Anarchy79? Give me a fucking break.