Short skirts, knee-high socks, white blouses: Girls' school uniform items are widely used as costumes in pornographic videos. As students experience harassment, a group wants to change that.
How about you let consenting adults do what they want?
It seems to me that the UK is slowly, but surely, banning kink.
Keep in mind that this is the same country that used to chemically castrate men for the seemingly unforgivable crime of being in a homosexual relationship. Remember Alan Turing? They have learned nothing.
I’m sorry? The kink of sexualizing schoolgirls? I’m all for ball gags and whips but if we don’t pause and do a sanity check when minors are asking adults not to treat them as sexual objects that’s a problem.
A lot of kink is an outlet for unethical behavior. Whips, pain, choking, dominance, submission, roleplay, furry, cnc, blood, other edgeplay, whatever.
Letting a weird dude fuck a woman dressed up in a school uniform is fine as long as it doesn’t go towards hurting children.
Puritans using WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN as a way to ban stuff is pretty popular right now, and has been for a long, long time, and basically ALWAYS results in a worse outcome, showing either ignorance and/or actual malice for the actually intended protected group.
So yeah, don’t rape people, but enjoy your cnc.
Don’t fuck children, but enjoy your roleplay.
Don’t beat people, but enjoy your consensual s&m.
Figure out what is ethical and what isn’t, and THEN work from there. Don’t just make leaps in logic or fearmonger. Banning schoolgirl costumes in porn isn’t a) gonna fix anything, or b) happen.
Schoolgirl and uniform porn is extra popular in places with uniforms, it has nothing to do with if there’s porn of it. Teach people ethics and morality, that’ll solve a LOT more issues than just child abuse. Education reform is the way; it always has been, and likely always will be.
I never said ban - bans don’t work. I asked us to pause and acknowledge that kids are feeling sexualized and exploited by the community around them. Considering the climate these kids are growing up in (i.e. the Epstein files, news stories about rape, AIs that strip them naked, etc.). I don’t blame them for trying to change something, anything. As adults we’ve done fuck all to make the world safe for them. Kids shouldn’t feel like they need to fix the porn industry to feel safe. That is such a profound failure of society and it’s embarrassing that our response to it is either puritan nonsense or closing ranks to protect the kink. Why aren’t we protecting kids from predation so they don’t feel like they have to take on the sex industral complex? Kink should be the last thing on their minds, and they absolutely shouldn’t be aware of those dark places in the world where they star in people’s fantasies. But children have been exploited, used, and abused. That needs to be addressed.
Did you see that recent French interview with that extraordinarily articulate kid? Where he was talking about going hard left, rather than just replacing the leadership with more of the same because the current methods just don’t work.
Reminds me a lot of that, where when shit obviously isn’t working - we need to actually examine what’s going on, rather than just using it as a wedge or pushing an agenda, and that likely also means starting over, cutting down to a certain level.
The kink of consenting adults safely role-playing in whatever capacity they want.
I’m all for ball gags and whips
Based on your overt “won’t someone please think of the children” moralizing here, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you probably aren’t. Why not claim that ball gags and whips are sexualizing “torture” or “slavery”?
Here’s an honest “sanity check” for you:
Consenting adults can dress up like a kid without harming kids. Consenting adults can dress up like an animal without harming animals. Consenting adults can simulate violence and torture without actually being violent or dangerous. Consenting adults can act out goofy office sex scenes without actually being a menace in their actual workplace.
The idea that role playing in fetish pornography is at all correlated with sexual crimes is just as dubious as the idea that violence in video games can be correlated with violent crimes.
And you should probably be aware of the fact that the UK has also made an effort to ban sexual choking scenes in pornography. So, let’s not act like there isn’t a broader movement to legislate and criminalize various kinds of atypical sexual expression.
So, I’m sorry back, but I’m really not convinced that they are going to stop at just choking and school girl uniforms when there are so many other kinks of roleplay that they can be puritanical about.
It seems to me that the UK is slowly, but surely, banning kink.
you mean doing what it always has done?
70 years ago it was entirely improper to even have one bed for a married couple, let alone a couple having sexual relations for anything outside of procreation.
How about you let consenting adults do what they want?
The young girls and women don’t consent to being perved on in public and online. The problem is no doubt amplified by such suggestive and explicit material online. (Not to mention denudification apps).
The point of this is to reduce the association that happens where girls and women’s dress titillates the fantasies (and what, unfortunately follows) of mostly older men.
You’re right that anyone with a fetish for school children will have fewer avenues to practice that fetish, but that’s not a bad thing. I don’t know why you’re more concerned about the latter than the kids.
No, uh, actually I’m the one saying you’re making stuff up, you can’t just come back and say the same thing to me, but slightly differently and dismissively
The problem is no doubt amplified by such suggestive and explicit material online.
No doubt…? Actually, I do doubt what you’re saying very much… Is there anything to back it up?
Do you honestly believe that there is no difference between sexual roleplay between consenting adults and sexual crimes? If so, would you also argue that violence in media contributes to or causes violent crime?
This strikes me as little more than a puritanical justification to regulate what other consenting adults do in the bedroom.
I don’t understand why so many commenters are removing the child victims from this situation and pivoting to “consenting adults”.
The petition does not aim at what consenting adults do together. It concerns the production of pornography and it’s consumption.
Whether via sexualisation or simply memeification, it does frame school uniforms and school girls as sexual objects. Male peers of schoolgirls have easy access to such materials too.
We already know how easily psychological associations are formed (see Pavlov’s dog). But whether a child or an adult, making such a psychological association with schoolgirls and their clothing is surely “unnecessary”? There is an infinite amount of sexual material already available.
Give the children what they want. You won’t notice the difference.
How about you let consenting adults do what they want?
It seems to me that the UK is slowly, but surely, banning kink.
Keep in mind that this is the same country that used to chemically castrate men for the seemingly unforgivable crime of being in a homosexual relationship. Remember Alan Turing? They have learned nothing.
Poor Turing :(
Banning and shaming as not the way, example A:
Japan
Uk being the bad guys? Gasp Uk being puritans? Omgosh surprise gasp
I’m sorry? The kink of sexualizing schoolgirls? I’m all for ball gags and whips but if we don’t pause and do a sanity check when minors are asking adults not to treat them as sexual objects that’s a problem.
A lot of kink is an outlet for unethical behavior. Whips, pain, choking, dominance, submission, roleplay, furry, cnc, blood, other edgeplay, whatever.
Letting a weird dude fuck a woman dressed up in a school uniform is fine as long as it doesn’t go towards hurting children.
Puritans using WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN as a way to ban stuff is pretty popular right now, and has been for a long, long time, and basically ALWAYS results in a worse outcome, showing either ignorance and/or actual malice for the actually intended protected group.
So yeah, don’t rape people, but enjoy your cnc.
Don’t fuck children, but enjoy your roleplay.
Don’t beat people, but enjoy your consensual s&m.
Figure out what is ethical and what isn’t, and THEN work from there. Don’t just make leaps in logic or fearmonger. Banning schoolgirl costumes in porn isn’t a) gonna fix anything, or b) happen.
Schoolgirl and uniform porn is extra popular in places with uniforms, it has nothing to do with if there’s porn of it. Teach people ethics and morality, that’ll solve a LOT more issues than just child abuse. Education reform is the way; it always has been, and likely always will be.
I never said ban - bans don’t work. I asked us to pause and acknowledge that kids are feeling sexualized and exploited by the community around them. Considering the climate these kids are growing up in (i.e. the Epstein files, news stories about rape, AIs that strip them naked, etc.). I don’t blame them for trying to change something, anything. As adults we’ve done fuck all to make the world safe for them. Kids shouldn’t feel like they need to fix the porn industry to feel safe. That is such a profound failure of society and it’s embarrassing that our response to it is either puritan nonsense or closing ranks to protect the kink. Why aren’t we protecting kids from predation so they don’t feel like they have to take on the sex industral complex? Kink should be the last thing on their minds, and they absolutely shouldn’t be aware of those dark places in the world where they star in people’s fantasies. But children have been exploited, used, and abused. That needs to be addressed.
Agreed. This is a huge red flag.
Did you see that recent French interview with that extraordinarily articulate kid? Where he was talking about going hard left, rather than just replacing the leadership with more of the same because the current methods just don’t work.
Reminds me a lot of that, where when shit obviously isn’t working - we need to actually examine what’s going on, rather than just using it as a wedge or pushing an agenda, and that likely also means starting over, cutting down to a certain level.
The kink of consenting adults safely role-playing in whatever capacity they want.
Based on your overt “won’t someone please think of the children” moralizing here, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you probably aren’t. Why not claim that ball gags and whips are sexualizing “torture” or “slavery”?
Here’s an honest “sanity check” for you:
Consenting adults can dress up like a kid without harming kids. Consenting adults can dress up like an animal without harming animals. Consenting adults can simulate violence and torture without actually being violent or dangerous. Consenting adults can act out goofy office sex scenes without actually being a menace in their actual workplace.
The idea that role playing in fetish pornography is at all correlated with sexual crimes is just as dubious as the idea that violence in video games can be correlated with violent crimes.
And you should probably be aware of the fact that the UK has also made an effort to ban sexual choking scenes in pornography. So, let’s not act like there isn’t a broader movement to legislate and criminalize various kinds of atypical sexual expression.
So, I’m sorry back, but I’m really not convinced that they are going to stop at just choking and school girl uniforms when there are so many other kinks of roleplay that they can be puritanical about.
you mean doing what it always has done?
70 years ago it was entirely improper to even have one bed for a married couple, let alone a couple having sexual relations for anything outside of procreation.
The young girls and women don’t consent to being perved on in public and online. The problem is no doubt amplified by such suggestive and explicit material online. (Not to mention denudification apps).
The point of this is to reduce the association that happens where girls and women’s dress titillates the fantasies (and what, unfortunately follows) of mostly older men.
You’re right that anyone with a fetish for school children will have fewer avenues to practice that fetish, but that’s not a bad thing. I don’t know why you’re more concerned about the latter than the kids.
That’s a bad argument with a lot of bad assumptions
It’s a pretty well supported argument, actually. But by all means vibe away in the comments.
No, uh, actually I’m the one saying you’re making stuff up, you can’t just come back and say the same thing to me, but slightly differently and dismissively
No doubt…? Actually, I do doubt what you’re saying very much… Is there anything to back it up?
Do you honestly believe that there is no difference between sexual roleplay between consenting adults and sexual crimes? If so, would you also argue that violence in media contributes to or causes violent crime?
This strikes me as little more than a puritanical justification to regulate what other consenting adults do in the bedroom.
I don’t understand why so many commenters are removing the child victims from this situation and pivoting to “consenting adults”.
The petition does not aim at what consenting adults do together. It concerns the production of pornography and it’s consumption.
Whether via sexualisation or simply memeification, it does frame school uniforms and school girls as sexual objects. Male peers of schoolgirls have easy access to such materials too.
We already know how easily psychological associations are formed (see Pavlov’s dog). But whether a child or an adult, making such a psychological association with schoolgirls and their clothing is surely “unnecessary”? There is an infinite amount of sexual material already available.
Give the children what they want. You won’t notice the difference.
I understand that frustration, but this isn’t the answer.