Aggregate public opinion, both the real, and especially through bullshit polls during authoritarian (read: dangerous) times, is at the whims of the government.
If the government bombards people with an idea, people without a robust opinion, will believe it.
Hate the people who act. The government, and the part of the public that is taking real Zionist action, participating in the ideology.
As I said in the other comment, the idea of “Israelis” is not real enough to justify hating the group. Putting all of them in the same basket is racism, because many of them (perhaps 20%, doesn’t change my argument), have neither the desire nor the power to contribute to the genocide, and part of those is fighting against.
Name the groups you hate by their real characteristic (violent fascists), because hating “people of a nation” is just being racist, and missing what the actual danger is.
I’m not quibbling over the definition of “plenty” (a word I did not say) when people are arguing that being born in Israel makes you far right, on a thread about two Israelis being threatened with murder for exposing the genocide to an international audience. Do we really need to have a ‘where you are born is not a moral statement’ discussion?
My point is the ratio is so skewed that you can effectively ignore the minority as inconsequential.
I am not advocating punishing all isrealis indiscriminately based on the actions of the majority. I am just saying that Israelis are far right and I don’t see a lot of value in adding any caveats after such a general statement.
The mental gymnastics necessary to say this in a thread about two Israelis being threatened with murder for their activism related to exposing the genocide is absolutely wild. Much less to call it inconsequential.
They’re also being threatened with having their citizenship revoked, because not being far right is considered incompatiable with being isreali by the isrealis.
You are demanding an asterisk and foot notes to my joke comment about the pervasiveness of far right beliefs shared by the overwhelming majority of Israeli citizens where I acknowledge the obvious: not 100% of the people share these beliefs. Yeah, no duh - that genuinely goes without saying, it’s true for literally every generalization.
The level of accuracy you are requesting is (and I don’t mean this as an insult) autistic. There are unspoken elements involved in human interaction and the acceptance that a generalization does not apply 100% is something I should be able to take for granted in a Lemmy comment.
The level of accuracy you are requesting is (and I don’t mean this as an insult) autistic
Yes, hi, we exist and walk among you. Sorry for my autistic way of believing that words mean things.
You can’t take that for granted that can go unstated because not everyone in the internet agrees with that. When you start leaving that out you start getting people who agree Israel is bad for other reasons, leading to the Nazi bar problem. If you don’t get how categorizing all Israelis as belonging to a single negative category could attract agreement from the reich side of the internet, there’s nothing I can do for you.
Also wtf is the point of making a flippant joke on a thread about pro-Palestinian action endangering someone’s life?? I may be autistic but even I know that’s fucking weirdo behavior.
I think something like 80% of the Israeli public thinks they’re not going hard enough in Gaza
Aggregate public opinion, both the real, and especially through bullshit polls during authoritarian (read: dangerous) times, is at the whims of the government.
If the government bombards people with an idea, people without a robust opinion, will believe it.
Hate the people who act. The government, and the part of the public that is taking real Zionist action, participating in the ideology.
As I said in the other comment, the idea of “Israelis” is not real enough to justify hating the group. Putting all of them in the same basket is racism, because many of them (perhaps 20%, doesn’t change my argument), have neither the desire nor the power to contribute to the genocide, and part of those is fighting against.
Name the groups you hate by their real characteristic (violent fascists), because hating “people of a nation” is just being racist, and missing what the actual danger is.
You need to consider who made that study, who they interviewed for it and why.
Assuming those numbers are correct, 1 in 5 Israelis aren’t real?
You think 1 in 5 people not in favour of finishing the genocide is “plenty”?
I’m not quibbling over the definition of “plenty” (a word I did not say) when people are arguing that being born in Israel makes you far right, on a thread about two Israelis being threatened with murder for exposing the genocide to an international audience. Do we really need to have a ‘where you are born is not a moral statement’ discussion?
If we were talking about the GOP would I need to make caveats for the small percentage of them who don’t support Donald Trump?
I wasn’t aware you could be born as a member of the GOP 🤨
My point is the ratio is so skewed that you can effectively ignore the minority as inconsequential.
I am not advocating punishing all isrealis indiscriminately based on the actions of the majority. I am just saying that Israelis are far right and I don’t see a lot of value in adding any caveats after such a general statement.
The mental gymnastics necessary to say this in a thread about two Israelis being threatened with murder for their activism related to exposing the genocide is absolutely wild. Much less to call it inconsequential.
They’re also being threatened with having their citizenship revoked, because not being far right is considered incompatiable with being isreali by the isrealis.
You are demanding an asterisk and foot notes to my joke comment about the pervasiveness of far right beliefs shared by the overwhelming majority of Israeli citizens where I acknowledge the obvious: not 100% of the people share these beliefs. Yeah, no duh - that genuinely goes without saying, it’s true for literally every generalization.
The level of accuracy you are requesting is (and I don’t mean this as an insult) autistic. There are unspoken elements involved in human interaction and the acceptance that a generalization does not apply 100% is something I should be able to take for granted in a Lemmy comment.
Yes, hi, we exist and walk among you. Sorry for my autistic way of believing that words mean things.
You can’t take that for granted that can go unstated because not everyone in the internet agrees with that. When you start leaving that out you start getting people who agree Israel is bad for other reasons, leading to the Nazi bar problem. If you don’t get how categorizing all Israelis as belonging to a single negative category could attract agreement from the reich side of the internet, there’s nothing I can do for you.
Also wtf is the point of making a flippant joke on a thread about pro-Palestinian action endangering someone’s life?? I may be autistic but even I know that’s fucking weirdo behavior.