• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    I mean, you can joke about circular financing, but it’s revenue until someone’s check bounces.

    What we’re looking at is effectively how governments operate with currency. The state extends credit to financial institutions and spends money into the private sector, then demands the money back as taxation. This milling effect incentivizes employment, capital expansion, and improvements to land, as residents attempt to leverage the state incomes/credits to produce more material value than they’ll pay in taxes.

    NVIDIA / OpenAI / Oracle are in the same relationship. And the cycle will continue to accumulate value virtuously until the output of the system is no longer recognized as yielding value. While OpenAI is definitely the weak leg in the stool, Oracle’s physical infrastructures and NVIDIA’s consumable chipsets are going to have value even outside of this relationship. The only question is whether OpenAI tokens can justify the liquidity the firm has received.

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      12 minutes ago

      Yes, but a country’s gdp is a lot more diversified than nvidias, and company bond holders have a lot more power than treasury bond holders. The party goes on for now, but there is no way these companies will keep being allowed to borrow money, and it will be clawed back due to how unprofitable these businesses are.

      All of these companies except Nvidia have massive debts, and it will lead to them going bankrupt. OpenAI’s models are worthless and they will go bankrupt. Oracle’s hardware will become worthless and they will go bankrupt. Nvidia’s hardware will become worthless, but they have paid for all of their fab capacity in advance, so they will just lose a shitton of money and become the modern day Cisco.

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      12 hours ago

      Oracle’s infrastructure will still have value, however that doesn’t mean the company can’t crash and burn for its assets to eventually be sold. To my knowledge Oracle, by now, is basically dependent on OpenAI contracts financially. If OpenAI falters Oracle wouldn’t be able to survive without someone even bigger stepping in and keeping them afloat.

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    9 hours ago

    You said "circular financing’ like you think that’s, uh, well my ex is looking for investment opportunities