• BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip
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    1 day ago

    “personal responsibility”

    “out of their control”

    Maybe we should accustom society to holding people responsible for things that are within someone’s control?

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      Planning for predictable but random events is part of your responsibility.

      There are many random circumstances that can make a person late. Some are a person’s responsibility to plan for. Some aren’t.

      Consider minor traffic delays. If you’re 10 minutes late because of traffic, that’s not traffic’s fault. That’s your fault. A 10 minute traffic delay is not a rare occurrence. You simply shouldn’t be operating your schedule with so little margin that a ten minute delay will make you late to something important. If you don’t have some margin in your schedule, this is entirely your fault. You built a schedule that only works if absolutely everything goes perfectly right, and then you blamed circumstance when the inevitable happens.

      Then there are some delays that it’s not reasonable to expect people to plan for. If you’re hours late because you had to rush a family member to a hospital, that’s not your fault. That’s a legitimate emergency. And it’s not reasonable for people to build multi-hour buffers into their daily schedule.

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          7 hours ago

          Remember that the context is seven year old kids. Its a downvote worthy comment because children have no licenses or ability to get to school without their parents. Nor do they have the ability to order their parents to leave more time for potential delays

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            The seven year olds also (ostensibly) aren’t experiencing consequences- they’re just receiving messaging about implicit social expectations. Kids need exposure to the reasoning behind cultural norms before they’re in a position to navigate them independently.

            It’s also useful for young people to know that their parents can fall short- and that shitty parenting isn’t the default experience.

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          17 hours ago

          Yeah. We all have those friends that are late every single time. Something always happens. In reality, they just fail to plan, leave absolutely zero margin in their schedule, and then blame circumstance when they’re inevitably late.

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      Don’t be changing what I said. I very intentionally didn’t say “out of their control”. I said “not completely in their control”.

      For example, if it snows, and the resulting traffic delays make you late for work, is that your responsibility? You don’t control the weather.

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        20 hours ago

        As an adult you can be expected to know that there might be snow tomorrow and plan accordingly. What is a kid going to do, other than feel helpless?

      • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        19 hours ago

        I’m late for work all the time, my value isn’t that it’s my capability to do my job.

        Similarly, the kids are responsible for LEARNING. being driven to school late doesn’t matter until that is impacted, and when it does it’s the issue for the caregivers, not the student.