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- world@lemmy.world
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- world@lemmy.world
For years, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has pushed ethnic minority groups like Tibetans and Uyghurs to adopt an identity rooted in Chinese nationality and allegiance to the ruling Communist Party.
Now, that push has been codified into a sweeping new law that reaches into classrooms, neighborhoods and homes – and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.
The statute, officially known as the Ethnic Unity and Progress Promotion Law, came into effect on July 1. It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities, which include a Han Chinese majority that makes up over 90% of the country’s 1.4 billion people.
Typical straw man, these are your words and your claim, I have never heard of this or mentioned this? What are you on about seriously?
I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people. These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time. Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone. You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.
Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!
… America owns tik tok…
What year do you think this is?
Bytedance, who have their headquarters in China, owns tiktok. America has their own American owned subsidiary company, 80% American shares, 20% Bytedance. The whole world isn’t America buddy.
??? Are you okay?? 80% American owned makes it an American company.
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The American subsidiary company yes, this is only true for tiktok in the USA. The rest of the world uses tiktok headquartered in Beijing. It’s not that hard is it? I mean it was all over the news last year. I like most of the world do not live in the USA!
Right… Which country do you live in? You know that the largest user base of tik tok is American?
Aaand you think, if you used the non-american version*, the evil Chinese version, to check out what people say about Xinjiang, you‘d end up being brainwashed by Chinese state propaganda? And you‘re so scared or prejudiced about that possibility, that you won‘t even consider it? How do you actually manage to do critical thinking with that kind of approach?
*which got bought to modify the algorithm, so that US citizens won‘t be able to see the reality of the Palestinian genocide anymore, so with the sole intention to censor and brainwash.
You clearly understand how the Americans can manipulate the algorithm to control the content users receive yet you do not think that the Chinese are doing the same thing to their version.
Then you question my ability to think critically? I love when you guys make fools of yourselves without realising. Typical for a .ml bootlicker, all the chemicals in the boot rubber must make your brains no work good huh?
Thanks for the unnecessary and cringe hate towards your dumb red scare bogeyman, I realize that they could do and likely are doing that, in some ways, generally.
What I‘m criticizing is, that you avoid reviewing your own claims and prejudices about something for which your knowledge stems from western propaganda only. All you do is claim that everything you associate the platform with is brain rot, government spyware, and propaganda. By hearsay. By indoctrination. Nobody’s telling you to use it daily or whatever. You talk out of your ass, which only poops out what you’ve put in before, only browner and stinkier. Exemplary, on a hit piece propaganda post on one of the US’s main media arms, against one of the two major western enemies. About a law that does not do what the piece is claiming it does. I suggest reading the direct translation on this comment thread.
Surely, the Chinese government will censor shit, one can hardly prove a negative. So, if you won’t find what you hoped to see, you‘ll only confirm your prejudice, that it‘s all censored. Meh. But what you could infer, if you wouldn‘t be fueled by your sinophobic hate, is that the people that do visit the region could very well put stuff on the internet, that would verify the genocide claims made by western media. But that’s not really happening. People would certainly try that, as circumventing the Great Firewall is of course possible, but you don’t hear about them disappearing or being jailed for exposing the claims, do you? And if there would be a rare occasion, would you check their veracity, or again take it all in, spoon fed to you, only to validate your hate? At which point will you stop angrily repeating bullshit, but actually start to think critically? My claim is, that you just won’t.
Likely in the same way you never took a minute to research the refutations of the alleged Uyghur genocide, only to steadfastly remain on your indoctrinated idea, that these evil Communists must of course be doing, what your good willing and honest media is telling you and now is replicating anytime it gets a chance to do so.
E: Brother, I’ve read your latest comment regarding Palestine. A lot of us went through similar realizations. But the consequences of what the West is and how it behaves around the world and how it lies to its own citizens to maintain it’s machinery just doesn’t stop in Palestine. The world is run by Capitalists, which own the media and, quite frankly, almost everything (like my flat or the fields my food grows on). We need to work our way through all the lies and that comes with a lot of pain for overcoming our own dissonances and preconceptions. Here, in the case of China, it‘s important to realize, that they are the main ideological adversary for the Capitalist system, and like Russia are unwilling to submit to the western capitalist class. It was similar with the Soviet Union, which is also the reason, why we’ve all learned a lot of history, that is actively written by the winner. Hate on nations like China is just manufacturing consent and dividing the working class. The Chinese are not our enemy, but their system is an existential threat for the Capitalists of the West.
I’m not American and was not around for the McCarthyism era, I have no hatred of “reds” or fear of them being under my bed. My fight is against imperialism and cultural genocide which is clearly going on here. I understand the geopolitics of the region and China’s need to secure the heartland, there is no way China is giving up Xinjiang or Tibet, they are essential to China’s security. These regions only hope for freedom for their people is a collapse of the CCP.
You are naive to believe that the CCP are not using Bytedance and tiktok to push their propaganda. The Americans are doing exactly the same thing, it’s propaganda on all sides only you can’t seem to see the propaganda from the Chinese side and eat it up with no thought, consideration or investigation. To me you are just as deluded as the MAGA Trumpers.
You called my comment cringe…
You asked me to view a comment in the link, I assume you wanted me to read what was contained in this new law China is bringing in. I have already read all of that, fortunately others have read the entire document which contains Orwellian gems such as this,
“Parents or other guardians of minors shall, in accordance with the law, fulfill their responsibilities for family education, educate and guide minors to love the Communist Party of China”
When I am talking about what is happening in Xinjiang I am not talking about Nazi death camps I am talking about cultural genocide. China is trying to erase the culture and the language of the people there. My own country experienced something similar so I can recognise what China is up to through the language used in this new law. Imperial nations like China typically copy what has worked for other nations. Destroy the peoples language and you go a long way to destroying their culture. The Chinese government has been encouraging Han Chinese to move to Xinjiang and Tibet in order to plant the area with a strong minority of loyal citizens. The British did the same in Ireland, the Americans in Texas and the Russians across eastern Europe. It’s all the same playbook.
There is enough evidence of what is going on, we even have leaked Chinese government documents, satellite imagery and the testimony of those incarcerated. You can choose to believe the Chinese government like a MAGA believes trump if you wish. There is no convincing the indoctrinated.
Then you mention evil communists, another straw man. Bit of news for you buddy but China is not communist, it is hard to argue they are even socialist unless you take the loose Marxist definition of we promise we will be communist one day, we just need to exploit the excess labor of the Chinese people for a little bit, we will all be rich soon. Ignore China’s growing billionaire class!
I am not a fan of the capitalists or the western system. I get that China is doing something different but to me what China has done is just figure out a different way to exploit the working classes. Russia and its kleptocratic oligarchy is not a model to admire or emulate either.
Thank you, for taking the time to educate, instead of what I do, which is ridicule, lol.
You’re literally eating western propaganda like it’s your last meal, and you call us who are trying to parse through disinformation bootlickers?
There is disinformation coming from all sides my naive friend. You have just decided that one sides disinformation is more palatable and have chosen to exclusively dine on it.
I distrust the Americans and Chinese in equal measure, as should anyone with an IQ above room temperature.
Yeah, so where are the 500+ square miles of camps that would need to exist to host that many people. Literally where? You don’t have satellite pictures of any facility or group of facilities that large. That’s half the prison population of the US’ prison system, which covers thousands of square miles.
No. People in prison have prison sentences with determinate amounts of time. Also if they were held ‘indiscriminately’ they would just be prisoners?? Like?? Discriminately imprisoning people is the claim being made by the US. That they’re being locked up for their ethnicity. Or sometimes religion. If they are being held indiscriminately then China isn’t doing anything wrong regardless of how many they have locked up…
TikTok is a US owned and operated company, and it also has a website. It is also by far the largest social media website and the largest source of news for populations under 50.
TikTok is majority owned by Oracle, and for US audiences is run off of Data centers in the US owned by Oracle, who has complete and total control over content shown to US users. The App’s source code itself has been audited by the US federal government and Oracle as a part of reversing the ban on Tiktok.
At no point was Tiktok Chinese owned. Singapore, despite your people’s best efforts to claim otherwise, is not a Chinese city.
You’re so racist you thought a Singaporean app owned by a US company that has been audited by the US government is chinese spyware.
Get some amount of medical help. I recommend going to China, who can offer you psych care for less per session, including flights and hotel stays, than you can receive in the US.
China is an authoritarian regime that has great powers to restrict the information available to international observers. There have been several data leaks that have given us an insight into what is currently going on in the region. When I say up to a million that is the higher end of the estimate, others estimates put it at hundreds of thousands. We need estimates because the Chinese government blocks and tries to stop information from getting out of the region. The Chinese government does not have the best reputation for truth telling and transparency. In terms of maps and satellite imagery the Xinjiang data project does a great job documenting the detention and “re-education” facilities it has found, as well as the destruction of sites of significant cultural heritage to the Uyghur people.
https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/map/?
But these are, as claimed by the Chinese government “re-education” camps. They also hilariously try to claim that they are voluntary.
This refers to the manner of their detention, they are held without proof of a specific crime, evidence or a proper trial. If you are going to police language at least understand what you are talking about or else you just look like a fool.
This is only true if you live in the USA, tiktoks parent company, Bytedance was forced to sell about 80% of the American arm to American investors. I and most of the rest of the worlds population do not. Bytedance who’s headquarters are in China run tiktok international. The Chinese government has access to all of the data on their servers and retains a 1% golden share of the company. Next you are going to tell me Facebook is a great source for news with no CIA influence. Why do you think the Americans forced Bytedance to sell tiktoks majority US ownership to them? Because they know exactly how they exploit Metas data themselves.
Good man, if all else fails play the racism card, right! Bytedance is a Chinese company, Zhang Yiming is not from Singapore last I checked?
I’m ok buddy, I live in Ireland where medical care is both free and among the best in the world, top 10 anyway. The only place I could really go to get better care would be somewhere like Taiwan who are typically ranked number 1 for healthcare. I’d just as well take my chances in Russia over China for healthcare!
Nice source you base your hate on.
From https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/about/:
From Wikipedia:
What are the overseas governments, defense and technology companies, you never wondered before?
They also have an office in Washington, D.C. In short, it’s a western nation-state and capital funded, crappy propaganda source.
When your government is doing clandestine dystopian things the information vacuum will be filled by your enemies. Who else has pockets deep enough to finance the hard work of the academics involved? Your adversaries have something to gain by painting China in a bad light, why would they miss an open goal like this?
We know China is lying about the existence of these camps, the satellite image is clear as day. There are multiple other sources on this, the one I gave is just the easiest to use.
What do you think is happening in the reeducation camps of Xinjiang, really? Do you deny their existence or do you go along with the Chinese state line of “voluntary vocational training.”