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    Again, in America.

    And again, your lives are in your own hands, nobodys coming to help you.

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    They didn’t release them though? They only released select parts that don’t implicate the pedos they’re protecting.

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      Uhhhh the shit out there definitely implicate the ever living shit out of the pedos they are protecting. They are not investigating or charging anyone, more proof at this point don’t mean much.

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    Just gotta get the first big fat orange racist pedophile rapist domino to fall, then the rest will be swept up in a great wave.

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    Yep. And they will. Because the rich to not have to follow the rules that us plebes do. And that’s going to continue as long as the middle class can shit comfortably, they’re is not enough outrage to change that status quo. All the cope and seething in the world wont fix that until people start getting off their asses and well, we all know that isn’t going to happen.

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    Jail? Why assume the jail owners aren’t in the Epstein files? Why assume the judges aren’t? Why assume anyone with the individual power to stop this isn’t in on it? The only way to make them pay is to take the payment ourselves, but to do that we’d need to be alright with both working together and enacting justified violence, and I don’t know if either is possible anymore.

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        You’ve isolated the crux of the issue. Those in power have long since realized that they can abuse your trust to 2 ends - they can exploit you while you trust them, and even when you stop trusting them, you tend to stop trusting everyone, making it harder for you to come together with your peers to rival the strength of the system.

        The paradox we must overcome is that we must inherently distrust the wealthy, while still having enough trust in our peers to stand with them against the wealthy without fearing that they’ll shoot us in the back. It seems easy to differentiate between the two groups, but it’s surprisingly difficult to see 2 people with no outward differentiating factors, yet trust one with your life and assume the other is planning to manipulate you.

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    They have only released half of them, heavily redacted. The Trump admin is violating the law by keeping the rest hidden.

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    Americans are toothless. Trump can do anything he wants and the only thing stopping him is his own failing health.

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      Americans are toothless.

      Americans are hyper-individualistic, TV-brained, and alienated from each other to the point that nobody can conceive of a better plan to end this administration than to walk directly up Pennsylvania Avenue with a small-caliber pistol, square up at the front door of 1600, and start firing.

      That, or hold a big march in the center of town telling the Gestapo to fuck off, and then I don’t know what happens next because the national media simply refuses to talk about Minneapolis anymore.

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      Land of the free and home of the brave was always a load of crap, and Trump has proven that to the world.

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      Americans are toothless.

      Nah, they’re extremely violent against minorities, women, iraqis, palestinians, venezuelans, et al.

      They’re just toothless against pale rich bros. The lack of teeth makes the BJ better. (sorry, not sorry)

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        I’m Iraqi, nothing grinds my gears more than brain dead Westerners using my country and my people as prop for ignorant talking points.

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          Boy, I would think Westerners blowing up your country and killing your friends and families would be the issue. I guess we will continue to do that but refrain from talking about it. Are you happy now?

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            You’re proving my point. You literally know nothing about the country’s people, history, problems, geopolitics, or culture. I’m fully confident that you never even stepped foot in that region of the world, let alone the country itself and I also highly doubt you’ve ever met an Iraqi, let alone spoken to them about what they think about their own country. All of your information comes from grossly oversimplified, ignorant, and misleading narratives from other Western activists who use us as props to push their agendas. You can’t speak on behalf of other people and then try to talk to them when they call you out for doing so. That level of arrogance is peak Western chauvinism.

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              I had a good friend named Areef who surrendered during Iraqi Freedom. He trained police and military in the use of small arms. He was learning to be a commercial pilot in the US and was dating a white girl. He eventually left to go back to Iraq to marry as an obligation to his family.

              You are frankly full of shit which is why I commented to begin with. I totally get your sentiment, but you said it in such a stupid and trivial way I couldn’t help myself. I am sorry for what has happened to Iraq and your people.

              So please take your outrage somewhere else and do try not to make an idiot out of yourself in the future. If not just for you, but the people of Iraq. The last thing we need is someone like yourself pouring fuel on a fire.

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                I had a good friend named Areef who surrendered during Iraqi Freedom. He trained police and military in the use of small arms.

                The US is notorious for making it extremely difficult for anyone to enter the country in general. Iraqis, specifically, had to (still do) go through a much more extreme vetting process than other immigrants. The US was very wary of terrorism at the time, and so they almost never accepted young military aged men by themselves. Most of the people who were accepted were families.

                Now for people who were actually in the military in some capacity, they get to go through a special vetting process that’s extremely long, demanding, and difficult. It did not matter if you’re a woman, a cook, retired, surrendered to the US military, disabled, or were applying with your family, everybody went through it. The vast majority of these cases were rejected. For anybody who actually dealt with weapons, that rejection was pretty much guaranteed. The rejection rates were so high that such individuals often found it worth the risk to lie about their involvement on their applications so they could leave with their families.

                My family literally went through this process. I’ve seen this shit first hand. The only possibilities for your friend are these: Either your friend is made up, Areef lied to you, or he was the luckiest man in the country at the time.

                He was learning to be a commercial pilot in the US and was dating a white girl. He eventually left to go back to Iraq to marry as an obligation to his family.

                I’ll let you in on another thing regarding Iraqi immigrants, once they’re out of the country they never go back. Iraq is dangerous, oppressive, extremely hot, poor, and unstable. For people who put themselves through hell to leave, there’s no way they would voluntarily go back, especially once they get a taste of the freedom and high standards of living outside the country. For Iraqis in diaspora that do get married to Iraqis in Iraq (which does happen a lot), they almost always pull their spouse to come live with them outside of country. In fact, a lot of marriages exist for this purpose because that’s one of the few avenues that people could realistically immigrate to the West.

                That being said, Iraq is no place to raise a family, especially back then, and everybody knows this. Which is why I find it very unlikely that his family would demand their son to give up the life he built to go back to Iraq and start a family there. No family would be unreasonable enough to ask their son to do this, and no reasonable son would accept such a request. Especially because marriage as an obligation is not a thing for men in Iraqi culture. So again, the only possibilities are either that your friend is made up, he lied to you, or he has the most unique and unreasonable family circumstances.

                You are frankly full of shit which is why I commented to begin with. I totally get your sentiment, but you said it in such a stupid and trivial way I couldn’t help myself. I am sorry for what has happened to Iraq and your people.

                There’s nothing wrong with showing empathy towards Iraqis nor is there any issue discussing the events that took place. The parts that I specifically take issue with when people try to use us as props to push their agenda, when they spread misinformation about what happened on our behalf, and when they talk down to Iraqis who call them out. In other words, don’t speak for Iraqis, only Iraqis can speak for themselves. This is not specific to you, but it is a big issue in the Western discourse in general. This type of attitude tends to come from people with good intentions, but it often comes off as patronizing.

                So please take your outrage somewhere else and do try not to make an idiot out of yourself in the future. If not just for you, but the people of Iraq. The last thing we need is someone like yourself pouring fuel on a fire.

                This is precisely the thing I’m criticizing.

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                  I am sure because he was part of the Iraqi police force who trained a lot of people that they used him for intelligence hence why they brought him to the US. I learned a lot about Iraqi and Muslim culture from him. I thought it was strange he was dating a white girl who was a total pothead, but I wasn’t trying to judge him (he prayed on a mat multiple times a day)

                  I don’t think it was luck, he had a lot to tell them and obviously they must have trusted him otherwise they wouldn’t have allowed him to stay in the US and then be allowed training to be a commercial pilot (especially after 9/11).

                  Chrissy (the white girl) was super heart broken when he left to go back to Iraq. He did marry and last time I checked he was raising his family there. Not sure the type of pull his family had on him, but it must have been real for him to return. Obviously a lot of people raise families there regardless of the danger. Life goes on.

                  I am not here to speak for Iraq even if I know quite a bit about their history. I can see how people can trigger you based upon your history and current beliefs.

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    to be fair 2 ppl did go to jail, one just isnt alive anymore and the other is in a prison thats more like a resort.

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      I’ve seen a lot of stuff posted saying “just a reminder that the only person punished for Epstein files was a woman!“. But it seems like the people saying that forgot that Epstein himself went to prison and then died.

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      There are so many coincidences there that it’s tough to know if either case is true

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    That’s because the DOJ hasn’t released any actually damning information. They released enough to fuel further conspiracy BS (ugh the jerky thing is so embarrassing for those morons that bought into it), but there’s no way they are going to release our disclose anything that is doing to harm those they are trying to protect. That shit is buried or destroyed if it ever existed in the first place. Only chance we will see anything real is if Trump’s folks kept evidence they can use as leverage or blackmail in the future.

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      the DOJ hasn’t released any actually damning information

      Biden’s DOJ played this tune under Trump. “Sorry, but we went through the last four years of files and he’s done nothing illegal! Damn shame. Better luck next term.”

      It’s just more bullshit. We’ve seen ample evidence to support the claim that Trump facilitated human trafficking for Jeffery Epstein through his Mar-a-Lago resort. We’ve seen evidence of money laundering and racketeering, specifically by way of extorting the labor of the women in their employment. We’ve seen mountains of evidence of conspiracy to commit tax fraud, to the point that they were outright bragging about it in exchanges. That was Epstein’s whole entry point into the world of New York high society. We’ve had a string of testimonies of women in Epstein’s employment naming individuals engaged in sexual assault (Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor chief among them).

      There is no shortage of evidence. What we have is a shortage of prosecutors willing to pursue these cases. The fact that Alvin Bragg had to go after some small-fry bullshit, got Trump on 34 indictments, convicted him on all charges, and then had the judge wave the sentence should tell you everything you need to know about our criminal justice system.

      That shit is buried or destroyed

      It was printed on the front pages of the NYT.