You can run Android apps via Waydroid. And there are ways to run the apps seamlesly, without needing to open waydroid -Droidian does this for example (I had unfortunately some tech issues with Droidian so didn’t test it much.
The already mentioned SailfishOS should have something that allows seamless Android app integration as well.
There is still the issue of some apps not working on deGoogled Android though, Waydroid basically runs LineageOS if I’m not mistaken. I assume microG would be possible but I have yet to try it.
On paper, it sounds great. Last I checked, there were some issues though.
Google is constantly making that harder. For example, people running GrapheneOS are facing more issues every year. This doesn’t seem like a long term solution. More like a temporary workaround.
Some android apps on Sailfish OS and GrapheneOS don’t work properly, because the app knows it’s not in a vanilla Android environment.
So, if you want to use your favorite calculator on Sailfish OS or GrapheneOS, it’s probably fine. If you want to use a banking app in order to verify your identity to the tax office, it might not work at all, because those apps tend to be very picky. Also, you’ll need the same verification thing when interacting with other government agencies, so this isn’t just a fun little bonus either. Come to think of it, any office or company that asks for your ID is on this list.
BTW, the bank I use announced a few years ago that they will start phasing out physical code booklets. Good luck living in the 2020s if you still rely on tech from the 1990s. If only we had GrapheneOS or Saislifhs OS in 2005, it would have been awesome. The problem is, the world has moved on.
You are right. Though it’s not entirely on Google, but also on whoever develops/publishes the app. It can be done without reliance on Google, it’s just easier to use their stuff aa a crutch (at least that’s what I’ve been told.
I use GrapheneOS (with their sandboxed Google Play) and I had minimal issues. On completely degoogled one there was more issues, but something that could be worked around. I imagine with microG it would be smoother (Graphene doesn’t allow it so I couldn’t test).
It is harder than stock Android for sure but I’ll be damned if I just give up. It’s now a matter of principle for me now.
And yes, Linux will be likely even harder but I’m considering it for my next step at this point - exactly because Google is making it harder on Androids and I feel like if you want to really escape their data-hungry fingers you just need to get out of their reach as much as possible. And while there isn’t the same ecosystem available as Android has, there are workarounds for now.
The way I see it, a fully Linux phone would be the next obvious step. If EU want’s to ditch American Big Tech properly, you need to run Linux with no ties to Android or Google at all. This means that you need to have native Linux apps for doing all the basic necessities of modern life. Either that, or the necessities need to function properly as a website, better yet, a web app.
Anyway, I would like to hear more about your experiences with GrapheneOS. Which types of apps had issues?
I had an issue with one banking app, but that might be because I had the second degoogled user going at that time as I tried to see how some of my apps worked that didn’t have any data on if they work or not.
I also had issues with a game called Root, Play store suddenly said it was not compatible but I installed via Aurora while spoifing a different phone and it continues to work fine.
There were some minor hiccups on some apps that were fixed by disabling some exploit protections built into Graphene (a simple Exploit protection compatibility mode toggle in the app settings).
Overall I’m really happy and if I wasn’t concerned about Google further closing down the Android ecosystem, I wouldn’t be considering switching. I never had a situation where I thought I’d be better off on stock Android
On waydroid there’s even an option to download a version of Lineage with full on google apps, haven’t tried it because I don’t use them. But the Google integrity api will always be a problem for any app that requires it
You can run Android apps via Waydroid. And there are ways to run the apps seamlesly, without needing to open waydroid -Droidian does this for example (I had unfortunately some tech issues with Droidian so didn’t test it much.
The already mentioned SailfishOS should have something that allows seamless Android app integration as well.
There is still the issue of some apps not working on deGoogled Android though, Waydroid basically runs LineageOS if I’m not mistaken. I assume microG would be possible but I have yet to try it.
On paper, it sounds great. Last I checked, there were some issues though.
So, if you want to use your favorite calculator on Sailfish OS or GrapheneOS, it’s probably fine. If you want to use a banking app in order to verify your identity to the tax office, it might not work at all, because those apps tend to be very picky. Also, you’ll need the same verification thing when interacting with other government agencies, so this isn’t just a fun little bonus either. Come to think of it, any office or company that asks for your ID is on this list.
BTW, the bank I use announced a few years ago that they will start phasing out physical code booklets. Good luck living in the 2020s if you still rely on tech from the 1990s. If only we had GrapheneOS or Saislifhs OS in 2005, it would have been awesome. The problem is, the world has moved on.
You are right. Though it’s not entirely on Google, but also on whoever develops/publishes the app. It can be done without reliance on Google, it’s just easier to use their stuff aa a crutch (at least that’s what I’ve been told.
I use GrapheneOS (with their sandboxed Google Play) and I had minimal issues. On completely degoogled one there was more issues, but something that could be worked around. I imagine with microG it would be smoother (Graphene doesn’t allow it so I couldn’t test).
It is harder than stock Android for sure but I’ll be damned if I just give up. It’s now a matter of principle for me now.
And yes, Linux will be likely even harder but I’m considering it for my next step at this point - exactly because Google is making it harder on Androids and I feel like if you want to really escape their data-hungry fingers you just need to get out of their reach as much as possible. And while there isn’t the same ecosystem available as Android has, there are workarounds for now.
The way I see it, a fully Linux phone would be the next obvious step. If EU want’s to ditch American Big Tech properly, you need to run Linux with no ties to Android or Google at all. This means that you need to have native Linux apps for doing all the basic necessities of modern life. Either that, or the necessities need to function properly as a website, better yet, a web app.
Anyway, I would like to hear more about your experiences with GrapheneOS. Which types of apps had issues?
I had an issue with one banking app, but that might be because I had the second degoogled user going at that time as I tried to see how some of my apps worked that didn’t have any data on if they work or not.
I also had issues with a game called Root, Play store suddenly said it was not compatible but I installed via Aurora while spoifing a different phone and it continues to work fine.
There were some minor hiccups on some apps that were fixed by disabling some exploit protections built into Graphene (a simple Exploit protection compatibility mode toggle in the app settings).
Overall I’m really happy and if I wasn’t concerned about Google further closing down the Android ecosystem, I wouldn’t be considering switching. I never had a situation where I thought I’d be better off on stock Android
On waydroid there’s even an option to download a version of Lineage with full on google apps, haven’t tried it because I don’t use them. But the Google integrity api will always be a problem for any app that requires it