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        Trump is the worst it’s been, but I can’t remember a time when things were good. It’s been one crisis to the next.

        I think there’s been maybe a 5 year period where the US wasn’t in a major conflict, and even then we were bombing random countries. After 08 the economy has basically always felt on the brink of collapse. Wages stagnate, housing is unaffordable, and basically every “ladder” to a better life it gone. Sprinkle in the impending climate collapse and yeah that’s been basically life.

        It’s disingenuous to act like anything was even okay before Trump. He’s just the final stage of a decades long collapse

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          We were generally pretty smart about what we were doing. Even Iraq, I think the idea was to overthrow a brutal dictator (we all agree he was, right?) and liberate a country in the middle east that would be friendly and allow us to be less dependent on Israel and the Saudis.

          I protested against that war, but it was certainly a hell of a lot smarter than threatening Greenland or Mexico.

          Despite all the memes, compared to the average person, W was reasonably smart. Maybe not on the scale of presidents. And evil or not, the people in his cabinet were pretty smart. Dick Cheney might have been evil, but he wasn’t a fucking idiot.

          We’ve had our issues and we’ve had our strengths, but we’ve never been this fucking dumb on a federal level. We’re literally taking advice from Putin.

          This is the first time we’ve had a president who doesn’t realize that he’s in the same boat as the rest of us. Might have a better cabin on that boat, but if he sinks it… and Putin is whispering in his ear that it’d be fun to sink the boat.

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            Iraq was about oil and the fact that that Iraq was going to switch away from the dollar to the Euro. You protested but never bothered to learn the real reasons why it happened. The fact that Saddam was a POS is not relevent since the same can be said about most of the despots in the region. All thats changed now is that they are saying the quiet parts out loud.

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            Jesus christ, lol. No man, you massacred millions of middle easterners, before that you genocided Korea, and did ethnic cleansing in Vietnam. Let’s not forget Cambodia, Laos, Libya, Syria, and Yemen. Currently Lebanon and Iran. Gaza. Millions of innocent dead civilians. Tens of millions. Fuck your fascist state and the propaganda you rode in on.