Abid Malhi and Shafqat Ali were convicted of gang rape, kidnapping, robbery and terrorism offences back in March 2021 over the attack on the Sialkot-Lahore Motorway.
Aren’t all conviction in US beyond doubt like… by definition? And there are always reviews and appeals and request for clemency to heads of states. And innocent people were executed many many times.
At some point saying that we ard only sure at 99.99% and not 100% so we fan t do anything about it is utterly ridiculous. No system is perfect and yet u use that argument at the age of cctv dna test and so on
You can do plenty of things but in a civilized country we tend not to punish people in brutal ways just to get some satisfaction. We isolate them, make sure they can’t hurt anyone and try to rehabilitate them.
And we do this, among other things, because systems are not perfect and doing irreversible harm to people is problematic. Even with CCTV and DNA tests.
For context, I’m thinking more of a recent murder case that happened in the UK. Basically a sikh guy stabbed a British student, then called the police on him accusing him of racism. Police arrived and handcuffed the dying student as he bled out, dying on the ground in handcuffs. The Sikh’s family were complicit
Obviously, a whole myriad of immigration tension has arisen again (happened with the southport stabbings also) and people are rioting.
I think if we publicly executed people who carried out these atrocities, it would quench the general public’s bloodthirst and restore order, hopefully reducing hate crimes on the innocent immigrants.
Note the biased language: both Digwa and Henry Nowak are British, both having British nationality and both having been born here. But you call one Sikh and the other British (and if you’re using the term to describe ethnicity, Nowak was Polish-British). So are you insinuating that only white people are really British?
So you sound like a Reflux supporter, and even if not, you are arguing a lot of bullshit in bad faith just like they do. At least, those who can communicate in anything other than grunts and bellows of rage.
I think if we publicly executed people who carried out these atrocities [blah blah blah saloon-bar bore hang 'em and flog 'em rant]
Better idea: jail them. And also jail those who want to encourage the return of medieval barbarities, which were not about justice at all, but were instead a means of reinforcing state terror.
No, it’s just “a sikh british guy stabbed a non-sikh british guy” is a mouthful. I don’t put hidden meanings in my messages. I do admit that I am generally around people who are right wing (I’m usually seen by them as quite left lol) so I apologise if I word things in ways which may not be the most tactful, I might pick up and mimic terminology that other people are using. For example, once I accidentally called my transgender friend a slur as I simply didn’t realise it was a slur, although I did have another transgender friend who was using the word, but again, that’s on me. I appreciate the correction, though.
Public execution. They hanged a guy from a tree and took a nice group photo. They would then make nice postcards out of them and sent out to family. Really brings back the community together. Especially if the criminal is of a different race. The history showed us that there are no risk of discrimination or abuse here. Justice system should do what the mod desires. We could call it… mob justice.
Pls, no country on earth has the ressource to rehabilitate every criminal nor they should try.
U cant just look me in the eyes and say to me yeah he was a neo nazi that killed 20 ppl in a place of cult but have you thinking about his rehabilitation and how horrible you will be if you think it will be a net positive for society if we kill him ?
Could just have a death sentence be only passed when there’s beyond doubt of guilt
This is the reason civil societies have mostly done away with the death penalty, simply because we cannot ever be 100% we have the guilty people. We like to think the court systems are infallible, but they sure arent.
I’d say it’s probably the biggest argument against the death penalty tbh. But then, at the same time, innocent people have died serving life sentences also.
Could just have a death sentence be only passed when there’s beyond doubt of guilt and have it approved by the head of state
Aren’t all conviction in US beyond doubt like… by definition? And there are always reviews and appeals and request for clemency to heads of states. And innocent people were executed many many times.
Isn’t all this common knowledge by now?
It’s beyond reasonable doubt. Too many people think it’s beyond a shadow of a doubt, which it’s not.
What’s the difference?
A whole lot.
I basically mean cctv footage where it’s clearly them, or a guilty plea
https://innocenceproject.org/coerced-pleas/
Do you people not read at all?
I wasn’t referring to underdeveloped disorderly countries.
Like US?
Yes
At some point saying that we ard only sure at 99.99% and not 100% so we fan t do anything about it is utterly ridiculous. No system is perfect and yet u use that argument at the age of cctv dna test and so on
You can do plenty of things but in a civilized country we tend not to punish people in brutal ways just to get some satisfaction. We isolate them, make sure they can’t hurt anyone and try to rehabilitate them.
And we do this, among other things, because systems are not perfect and doing irreversible harm to people is problematic. Even with CCTV and DNA tests.
For context, I’m thinking more of a recent murder case that happened in the UK. Basically a sikh guy stabbed a British student, then called the police on him accusing him of racism. Police arrived and handcuffed the dying student as he bled out, dying on the ground in handcuffs. The Sikh’s family were complicit
Obviously, a whole myriad of immigration tension has arisen again (happened with the southport stabbings also) and people are rioting.
I think if we publicly executed people who carried out these atrocities, it would quench the general public’s bloodthirst and restore order, hopefully reducing hate crimes on the innocent immigrants.
Note the biased language: both Digwa and Henry Nowak are British, both having British nationality and both having been born here. But you call one Sikh and the other British (and if you’re using the term to describe ethnicity, Nowak was Polish-British). So are you insinuating that only white people are really British?
So you sound like a Reflux supporter, and even if not, you are arguing a lot of bullshit in bad faith just like they do. At least, those who can communicate in anything other than grunts and bellows of rage.
Better idea: jail them. And also jail those who want to encourage the return of medieval barbarities, which were not about justice at all, but were instead a means of reinforcing state terror.
No, it’s just “a sikh british guy stabbed a non-sikh british guy” is a mouthful. I don’t put hidden meanings in my messages. I do admit that I am generally around people who are right wing (I’m usually seen by them as quite left lol) so I apologise if I word things in ways which may not be the most tactful, I might pick up and mimic terminology that other people are using. For example, once I accidentally called my transgender friend a slur as I simply didn’t realise it was a slur, although I did have another transgender friend who was using the word, but again, that’s on me. I appreciate the correction, though.
What’s a reflux supporter?
Public executions… yeah, that would bring back the good times for sure.
What am I looking at exactly
Public execution. They hanged a guy from a tree and took a nice group photo. They would then make nice postcards out of them and sent out to family. Really brings back the community together. Especially if the criminal is of a different race. The history showed us that there are no risk of discrimination or abuse here. Justice system should do what the mod desires. We could call it… mob justice.
Why do americans always bring race into things? A guilty person is guilty, regardless of race
Doing irrevserible harm to ppl is problematic ☝️🤓
Pls, no country on earth has the ressource to rehabilitate every criminal nor they should try. U cant just look me in the eyes and say to me yeah he was a neo nazi that killed 20 ppl in a place of cult but have you thinking about his rehabilitation and how horrible you will be if you think it will be a net positive for society if we kill him ?
Mother of god you really are a fucking moron… Every day I grow more and more weary existing here.
They may type like a moron, but they have a point. It’s easy for someone to sit behind a screen and type “just rehabilitate them” online.
You’re also a fucking idiot, fyi.
I’m well aware of this.
And me thinking nobody will ever defend nazi here, here u are doing it with litteral nazi terrorist.
This is the reason civil societies have mostly done away with the death penalty, simply because we cannot ever be 100% we have the guilty people. We like to think the court systems are infallible, but they sure arent.
I’d say it’s probably the biggest argument against the death penalty tbh. But then, at the same time, innocent people have died serving life sentences also.
Implying people get locked up when there is still reasonable doubt? That sounds like a massive problem.
It does happen, such as Lucy Letby. I don’t think she should be executed.